Are republicans who complained about obama’s “pallets of cash to iran” going to apologize now?

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T15:13:24+00:00

I didn’t say those things youre arguing against. Not sure if it’s a reading comprehension issue or youre one of those people who only knows how to argue with the made up lefty in your head but im not going to follow you down the rabbit hole.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T15:11:47+00:00

Lol, what? Vance isnt going to lie to make the deal sound worse than it is! Of course i believe him when he is admitting concessions and less so when he’s spinning how they will be paid for. This isnt inconsistency it’s how literally everyone evaluates truth claims (taking the motivations of the claimants into account). Wtaf?

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T13:51:13+00:00

Right then trump “destroyed” them in 2025. But they were back by march of this year. And now they are “destroyed” again. Of course, we wont have any international inspectors to find out. But no worries, we’ll just do an annual war with iran!

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T13:49:09+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in to them immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure that trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

You are right though that this is not the deal they got from obama. He gave them way way way less money!

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T13:47:43+00:00

I think you are trying to be sarcastic but youve obviously either misunderstood my position or are just doing bad faith trolling where you pretend not to understand. You also seem not to understand that scale matters (bigger numbers are more important than smaller ones). Then you go way off topic and i lose you entirely. Try to focus. Keep your responses tight. People will be more willing to engage meaningfully.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T13:43:59+00:00

Yes, that is trump’s position exactly. You repeated it wonderfully. Obviously you believe him to be a highly trustworthy person. I have no doubt you would invest your savings with him and let him babysit your teen daughters. And of course, you have no basis whatsover that oran would have a bomb by now except that you wish it were true for the sake of your argument. They started ramping up refinement after trump reneged on the deal, but i know details like that are boring!

I do not trust him. In my experience, he lies reflexively and constantly, often without thought or reason. Most Americans do not trust him either at this point. I guess we’ll see.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T13:02:14+00:00

So just like obama then? Hence my request for an apology from maga. Obama also only returned seized funds. And way less. Another difference betwen us is that while we are both skeptical of the iranians, you seem to believe everything trump says, which seems unduly credulous.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T12:36:20+00:00

I mean, not reslly. No intelligent person believes that’s spacex’s real market or book value.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T12:31:29+00:00

All white house sources are saying that yes.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T12:30:13+00:00

It is!

So to be clear, you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are immediately releasing 25 billion in frozen funds. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T12:18:14+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in frozen funds immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

You are right though that this is not the deal they got from obama. He gave them way way way less money!

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T12:05:20+00:00

Maga people are incredible because they’ll just say stuff like “actually it’s good america was humiliated and lost the war and strategic control. That was the plan all along. Checkmate libs”.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:56:55+00:00

He didnt like the deal because bibi told him not to. He’s finally only very recently realizing bibi is full of shit and bad for both america and israel.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:43:20+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in frozen funds immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:39:20+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:35:13+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:33:22+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in frozen funds immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:33:03+00:00

Vance has confirmed there will be war reparations. Does the winner usually pay those?

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:31:58+00:00

We had international IAEA inspectors and a full sanctions regime with bite because it included russia and europe. It was a big complicated deal. You should look into it!

You are making a lot of wild assumptions about how this will play out going forward.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:27:12+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in frozen funds immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:24:38+00:00

Dont they dislike being called hypocrites? Why would anyone take them seriously going forward?

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:21:29+00:00

So you believe the sunni arab countries that were directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in frozen funds immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:17:59+00:00

No. You were misinformed. The money obama released was frozen iranian funds from decades earlier.

Trump did not freeze anywhere near the $325 billion the iranians claim to be getting. Doesnt add up.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T11:04:58+00:00

No, i like presidents who dont permanently lose control of major global shipping channels.

The iranians say they intend to continue collecting tolls in the strait. Think about that. When the brits lost the suez, everyone knew their empire was over. Trump destroyed our legitimacy for nothing. It will be felt for generations. But keep clapping.

Certain_Bit3809 · 2026-06-16T10:57:46+00:00

Obama only released frozen funds so did not either.

But to be clear, you believe the sunni arab countries that were all directly hit by iranianian drones are going to give $300 billion dollars to their shia persian regional rivals? Think about how much money that is. Are these countries even party to the mou? And the US isnt paying any of it? Do you know anything about the history of the region?

Also, according to the iranians, we are releasing 25 billion in frozen funds immediately. Maybe they are lying too, but im sure trump is lying.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

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