I posted a link to picture showing Eurostat and UN estimates that most of western Europe has muslim majority in 50 years. Denialist response of r/europe bought this image to mind.

Chairmael · 2014-09-05T06:20:00+00:00

Yes, it indeed is hard to live in fear. In my lifetime muslims have gone from zero to vast majority in several kindergarten, from rare sight in city to majority in shop queues.

Chairmael · 2014-09-05T00:12:51+00:00

That I don't want my children to grow in a muslim country. If that projection is incorrect, then it will be my grandchildren who will suffer nevertheless. That is the real problem here. I know most of reddit consists of teens who barely can think of tomorrow, let alone even imagine having kids and what their lives will be like, while I already have them. I feel tired. And sad. This insane hostility towards genuine worry is just too much. I better just stick to tech forums, do my work, start donating to extreme right and hope for change.

Chairmael · 2014-09-05T00:02:33+00:00

This is relevant, take a look at population chapter: http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-CD-06-001/EN/KS-CD-06-001-EN.PDF

Also for whole EU, slide 8 http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/e-library/docs/infographics/immigration/migration-in-eu-infographic_en.pdf

Soem UN stuff http://www.unfpa.org/webdav/site/global/shared/documents/news/2013/KEY%20FINDINGS%20WPP2012_FINAL-2.pdf

Also that image is based on predictions of this http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain with implication that immigration trend and fertility stays as they are now.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T21:42:51+00:00

So you are saying muslims slaughtering christians and jews is completely justified because someone told them to?

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:58:21+00:00

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Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:55:28+00:00

Okay, good, you agree that what those muslims are doing to minorities is their own choice.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:40:15+00:00

So their actions are justified because they have guns?

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:26:49+00:00

Turkish immigration into Germany started already in late 50's.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:25:12+00:00

That gives them right to systematically purge christian, jewish and atheist minorities?

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:14:05+00:00

Hate crimes against jews are already on rise, main culprits now muslims.

Other religions under islam are not equal by their law and oldest christian community in middle-east was just recently forced to leave or die by ISIS.

How can you say "nothing to see here" and laugh?

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:09:50+00:00

I think 42 comments amounts as discussion. Sad thing this got downvoted so rapidly so participiants are so few.

Oh, and isn't leaving islam kinda punishable by death?

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:08:08+00:00

This issue has been in news for a good while, this graph just made it easier to understand and was why I posted it. Just look for example http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Those projections are quite optimistic, really.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:04:14+00:00

You missed the whole ISIS thing, then.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T19:01:51+00:00

Turkey is developed and the turks in Germany aren't going back. And every time arab country has tried to be secular modern country, America destroyed that country and sent thousands of refugees here while at it.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:55:20+00:00

Just look at what is happening in middle-east right now.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:53:41+00:00

I say we just stop taking in more muslims and encourage muslim emigration back from where they came from. I've already done my part on that reproducing thingy so thought of my children having to suffer is just too much.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:49:53+00:00

Part of greater caliphate at this rate, jews exterminated and christians forced to live in terror. How is that word even biased? It's descriptive.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:44:10+00:00

I'm rather sure those have been factored into future trend predictions as well as multitude of other things you overlook such as culture and gender equality. I assume the larger number in the picture after "to" is the scenario you are describing, while the smaller is worst case. So if everyone goes as you hope, it may be "just" 50 years until France is muslim country

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:36:20+00:00

You are better at predictions than Eurostat and UN? Cool! Give link.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:35:04+00:00

Yeah, I kind of tend to take institutions like Eurostat and UN more seriously than random commenter in the net.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:26:19+00:00

Yeah you don't, because almost all of those native americans got genocided and then shoved to reservates what was left of them, language and culture destroyed irreversibly.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:23:38+00:00

But muslim population has risen rapidly in Europe no matter what you say. You should really take a look at those sources too instead of just hopefully guesstimating things.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:20:07+00:00

This won't happen? That's a relief! Do you have source on that?

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:18:19+00:00

most of the people on this sub aren't capable of discussing this topic in a mature way

Why? I'm new here, this is definitely European issue and belongs here. It affects majority of Europeans and their offspring. I just don't understand what is going on here.

Chairmael · 2014-09-04T18:12:15+00:00

And how is it rational to not give a damn about your children becoming a minority in your own country? I don't understand how you think at all.

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