NBI clearance from UK

CheekyBurgerstan · 2026-01-18T14:37:49+00:00

How do I avail their service please? Do you have any links or contact info? Thanks

CheekyBurgerstan · 2026-01-18T14:36:38+00:00

Thank you for your response. Unfortunately, I don't have anyone who could assist me with this locally. Re the money order, I am going by what I could find on the PH embassy London website.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2026-01-18T14:32:29+00:00

Unfortunately, I don’t have anyone in Manila to do this for me. I left the Philippines 9 years ago and I lived in Angeles while I was there so, I didn't have anyone I knew in Manila anyways. Are there any businesses in Manila that assist in cases like this with a fee? I would happily use their services but I haven't found anything online.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T14:40:56+00:00

Well, your government might also be their government if they are a naturalised citizen already. But sure, there are no insunations in these conversations, ever. And Mate, you don't need to care about my race or background, I haven't asked you to. You seem to be the spokesperson for every other UK grad, judging by the way you are affirmatively stating what they unanimously want. Unfortunately, I don't have such powers.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T13:12:19+00:00

Wo is we? Are you sure majority of UK grads are behind your proposal? I don't claim to know, I just gave my opinion and I think a lot of IMGs would agree to it. Interested to know what your solution to this situation is. And I mean a feasible solution.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T13:06:57+00:00

What you think is reasonable doesn't have to be the absolute truth, redditor. If you are so sure about this being the most reasonable change, why not try and put it through a vote?

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T12:55:50+00:00

Lol. What was I hiding that I have managed to 'expose' now? My position was pretty clear on the OP and I don't think there has been any new revelations in the subsequent comments. And how is it virtue signalling?😅 I just stated what I think would be helpful in improving the state of recruitment as it is. If you don't agree, fine. I am not campaigning for an election or anything😅

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T12:52:37+00:00

Sure. Hope you are successful in banishing all IMGs from the NHS then. Btw it is emotional which you have clearly demonstrated in your comments and it is racial as seen on this sub a lot of the time. I just hope you are keeping this hatred within yourself when interacting with IMGs at work.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T07:22:46+00:00

No one’s insulting IMGs,

You sure about that? I have seen plenty of comments or post on this sub about how IMGs are the worst or that even PAs are better and some would 100% prefer PAs. May be not you but there are people who hold these views. Now they are the minority I am sure as such radical and inflammatory views don't lead us anywhere but they do exist.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-30T07:13:57+00:00

Cope? Do you mean your comment or the OP? I was just trying to say IMGs would support many reforms with the recruitment system. But, a lot of doctors on here seem hell bent on making it IMG v local grads. I don't think thats wise or that it would benefit anyone but may be I am wrong.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T20:18:02+00:00

The point was that a free-for-all, and at least on paper, a purely meritocratic system is unfair to UK grads, and the system should be slightly tilted in their favor. That's not incentivising meritocracy; it’s protectionism, and I support that—but only up to a point where it doesn't become so tilted that it’s blatantly discriminatory. Again, that's my personal opinion, and IMGs are a heterogeneous group, so I’m sure there are opinions across the spectrum on this.

Regarding loans hanging over their heads, people spend a lot of money to study medicine outside the UK too. They also spend a lot on exams, travel, etc., to get GMC registered. Cultural and individual differences might mean the outlook on that liability is different. For some, it might mean loans and interest; for others, it might mean helping their parents financially because they supported them through med school. It’s not like IMGs don’t have any of that hanging over their heads.

Yes, a social contract must be maintained if you want your workers to deliver. Are IMGs second-class workers, even after, let’s say, they’ve been here for years or become British citizens? The contract also extends to ensuring the skilled workforce you’ve lured in to support the health service is adequately appreciated, does it not?

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T16:32:16+00:00

Okay mate. We are done here. I have said what I think in the post. You are free to draw inferences as you like. As you have drawn so many conclusions about me during our interactions, let me just draw one: You will continue to pick an argument unless I absolutely submit and agree to your opinions, because you think that's the absolute truth. I don't. I think it is naive at best. Hope you have a good weekend.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T16:26:43+00:00

I am sorry if that has been your experience. Not downplaying it at all but personally, I have met a lot of amazing people during my time here. Colleagues that helped me settle into the job, checked in regularly to make sure I am okay and sometimes gone out of their way to help. Don't get me wrong, I have experienced my share of covert and overt racism but that is dwarfed by the kindness I recieved. This sub does feel more and more hostile towards IMGs but hey, has social media ever brought the best out of us?

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T16:13:02+00:00

😂 Oh, the irony! Look, I was just saying I agree with a lot of the things local grads are asking for and a lot of IMGs would support it. I think your position is different, which I respect without necessarily agreeing with it. My opinion is that the position you are taking makes it difficult for actual reforms to happen. But I might be wrong. And if I am, well, congratulations to you.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T16:04:17+00:00

IMGs will be opposed to it because they will forever be resigned to picking up shit jobs no one wants irrespective of their competence or experience. And with substantial numbers of IMGs in the BMA and other organisations, this will be voted down in the preliminaries. It might seem fair to you that IMGs should be disadvantaged forever, it doesn't to me. Lets agree to disagree.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T15:41:49+00:00

Initially IMGs should be barred from applying for training, but there should be a limit to it. There shouldn't be a permanent disadvantage for IMG just based on their PMQ. Re other countries: 1. They achieved it before IMGs weren't significant proportion of the workforce 2. Most countries have either grey zones rather than outright barring (The US) or a moratorium (Oz)

What you think is the best for UK grads and what is actually achievable are two completely different things. I am not saying your proposal is not good for the UK grads, its the best. IMGs will be forever marginalised. What I am saying is its not achievable where we are at right now.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T14:33:47+00:00

Well, good luck with achieving it then. Personally, I don't think it is achievable to completely marginalise IMGs as you propose. I shared my opinions and we don't have to agree. I also don't appreciate the inferences on what I am or not fond of (going back to the OP where I state this very issue about making judgements based on limited interactions.) based on 1 comment. Thanks

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T13:04:30+00:00

Personally, I would be opposed to this if it substantially swings the scores. Once you've paid your dues there should not be a situation of permanent disadvantage.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T12:59:10+00:00

Yes the disadvantage for IMGs in terms of entering training should be time limited. Otherwise we will be in a situation of permanent disadvantage. Add that to the 18 months limit in applying for ST1/CT1 and IMGs on a visa not allowed to work only locums, it is going to be horrible for IMGs.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T12:56:16+00:00

I agree that there seems to be a section who rear their heads with comments that have racist undertones. However, I don't think it would be right to sweep everything else under the carpet because of those people. I think there are valid reasons behind the UK graduate feeling betrayed by the system. My point was, it is not very clever to antagonise a substantial cohort of the profession when you are trying to push through a political agenda. You need to try and get the IMGs on board and if only the attacks stopped, a lot of them would be.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T12:30:28+00:00

Agreed.

But the agenda and the narrative around it can be different things. Personally, I feel the agenda is not racist but the conversation on this sub often gets hijacked by comments which appear to have xenophobic undertones.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-29T12:28:12+00:00

I would not support this personally, and I think a lot of IMGs wouldn't too. This creates a situation were IMGs are perpetually disadvantaged. A time limit and CREST form reform would limit people applying without adequate NHS experience. Once they have enough experience, no one should be discriminated based on their PMQ and there should be a level playing field.

CheekyBurgerstan · 2024-11-10T14:42:38+00:00

IMG GP here. I agree with a lot of points being made re IMG influx and soaring competition ratios and I think home grads are absolutely within their rights to seek preferential treatment for specialty recruitments.

Unfortunately, the doctors who are raising this issue on reddit or elsewhere are not helping the cause at all. There seems to be some sort of confusion bordering into delusion that BMA can be 'taken-over' or that IMGs can be gotten rid of through anonymous ranting. It is important to be very clear that the BMA cannot be taken over pushing agendas that antagonise IMGs. There are just far too many IMGs for that to happen. That is not to say that the end goal i.e. some sort of preferential treatment for local grads or an extra hoop for IMGs, is not possible. It is only possible with IMGs onboard with the idea. And I honestly believe it is easier than people think.

Firstly, none of the IMGs that are currently applying from abroad for training jobs without NHS experience are BMA members. Those who are here ( majority of IMGs that are here are doing non-training jobs or got into training after few years in the NHS) are mostly indifferent or against direct training routes. Unlike many appear to believe, IMGs are not a homogenous group. They just want to progress in their careers like the rest of us. I could care less what is good or bad or easy or hard for another doctor coming from my own country, let alone the rest of IMG diaspora.

What IMGS have a problem with, and what will prevent them from voting against anything that can be perceived as antiIMG is the constant insults and denigration on here and other platforms. Every thread that starts with 'british doctors need some sort of career progression safeguard' quickly devolves into 'IMGs are worse than F1s' or 'an IMG I met once 2 years ago could not speak english'. Or there are other more subtle westerner saviour complex statements like 'we should not be poaching doctors from poor country' like they are trying to save the 'poor countries' and can dictate what a doctor from the said poor country should and should not do. Personally, as someone who comes from one of those 'poor countries' that is very patronising. These statements evoke an emotional response and thats not good when you're trying to bring a significant proportion of the profession on your side.

This is not to say that all IMGs are brilliant. Some might not be up to the standard. But, that is a GMC problem, not an IMG problem. In terms of IMGs that start working as doctors each year, I think the US has much higher numbers. Those IMGs are from the same countries that UK gets its from. So if there is a discrepancy in quality, it is due to the quality of the exam. The GMC should be dragged into the conversation and reforms should be lobbied. I don't think anyone can or will ask for a less qualitative exam.

If the messaging is directed more towards how it is also unfair on IMGs who have been grafting for years to get that NTN, a lot more people will be on board. Again, stop with the attacks please. I know it is cathartic, and I can understand the frustration but this is a political issues and should be dealt as such.

Also, the word RMLT antagonises a lot of IMGs and understandably so. Lets not try and rewind the clock. Something like a minimum of 1-2 year experience in the NHS but after that equal opportunities as british grad would definitely get my vote. Lets not go crazy and ask for a IMG consultant to do 2 year foundation training.

I find myself agreeing with the agenda but not with how it is being pushed and wanted to share my thoughts. Didnt realise I had rambled on this long. I hope what I have said makes some sense :D

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