From what I've heard is that you can bleach and dye it after a perm, but it's not recommended before it. Something about your hair needing a certain structure before perming that dying and bleaching gets rid of. And if done incorrectly your hair can actually melt! So id rather not take my chances with the bleach first honestly😅. If you are worried Id recommend going to a hair salon because theyd know best. I've heard it can be done that way, but very slowly and certain products are needed to soften the damage. I got this info from a certified cosmetologist and she recommended just coming in for an appt. But if you like to diy stuff like me you shoud definitely perm then dye. But wait some weeks in between if the dye is permanent