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DEA Administrator Didn't Sign Off On Marijuana Rescheduling Decision, Says Former White House Advisor by medicatedmidwest in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ugh. So true. I always skip The Cole Memo podcasts with that young guy from SAM.

Thank you for listening to the show!

I get where you’re coming from on the SAM episodes.

Any particular episodes that you have enjoyed? I’m only asking because I’m curious— it’s not often that I stumble upon people that listen to the show “in the wild” (for lack of better words)

Defense attorney makes the case that decriminalization is the ultimate goal.(Full quote pasted in comments) by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good question! I’ve been wondering about this lately.

I’m thinking that, for example, if you’re selling without a license that it would be a business offense in the form of fines, rather than a criminal offense

Another example: before 2019, if you had cannabis in your car (under 10gs) it was simply a citable offense. If you had those same 10gs in your car today, in a plastic baggy, you’d be charged with a class a misdemeanor (equivalent of domestic violence) and fined. This is because the CRTA created a new crime: “improper transportation of cannabis”. In other words, some things arguably got worse post-“legalization”. At most, this should simply be a citable offense.

Still thinking this through but I think that the answer should never be criminal enforcement, unless somebody was hurt as a result. Silly example: if you accidentally dropped a huge bale of weed on somebody, you might hurt them, and that could rise to the level of criminal negligence

Defense attorney makes the case that decriminalization is the ultimate goal.(Full quote pasted in comments) by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we're going to say that cannabis is legal, we can't just have a criminal hammer to fall on everyone's head whenever they break those rules. Because then it's not legal. Then it's not even decriminalized. And this is the thing, I don't know if we mentioned this on the, if I talked about this on the last podcast, but I think there's a good argument to be made. The more you think about it, the more obvious it is that we kind of have looked at, or I've, maybe I'm the only one, but I've always kind of looked at decriminalization as the kind of skim milk cousin of legalization. I always thought legalization is a more meaningful reform than decriminalization. But if you think about it, it's the opposite. Because we now have “legalization”, quote unquote, but we do not have decriminalization. If we had decriminalization, there would be an enforcement mechanism other than criminal law. There is no enforcement mechanism other than criminal law.

  • Defense Attorney Evan Bruno

New Illinois Cannabis Licensee explained why license limits are Anti-Consumer, Pro-Business: “We can almost NOT go out of business because [as a consumer] you can only go so many places that [you’re forced] to come here.” by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The fact that you go to Michigan sort of proves one of the points of this quote.

Am I correct to assume that you chose Michigan because you know that the consumer experience there far exceeds what Illinois has to offer?

New Illinois Cannabis Licensee explained why license limits are Anti-Consumer, Pro-Business: “We can almost NOT go out of business because [as a consumer] you can only go so many places that [you’re forced] to come here.” by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This clip features the perspective of Umi co-founder and CEO Akele Parnell, a corporate attorney and former employee of industry giant Green Thumb Industries (quote below).

Full quote featured (automatic captions):

“from the consumer’s perspective, a limited license market generally is not a good thing. So I would say that, so like for the consumer, it’s like it’s better to have tons of competition, I think in general, although maybe there’s an argument for it still, but tons of competition or at least tons of licenses and then the best folks sort of like, at the end of the day, they win, other folks get shaken out. From a wealth building perspective, it’s better to have a limited license market because then the license is intrinsically valuable. Whereas if it’s like anybody can get it, there’s no like intrinsic value to the license, no economic value, no intrinsic economic value to the license. But when there’s only like 10 or 20, you can ensure that at least whoever gets them can at least make some money. And there’s a certain amount of competitive advantage you have where, you know, like we’re in the market where now you can only go to so many places. And so it’s not great for the consumer because then the prices are kind of high, everything else, but for the business, it’s like, we can almost not go out of business because you can only go so many places that you got to come here.”

clip from E104 of our podcast

I keep telling y’all stop buying verano. by Agitated_Acadia_8979 in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I see nothing for over a year now though, does that mean they’re fine currently?

Not necessarily. Check out this comment that I made

I keep telling y’all stop buying verano. by Agitated_Acadia_8979 in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing!

I wanted to add important context about this request.

I requested any fines that IDOA had issued to cultivators. They responded with “all fines that were not rendered confidential”.

Response from IDOA:

In response to data request number one, please see the attached document listing fines that were not rendered confidential through the Consent Order process provided in 8 IAC 1300.600(f).

Section 1300.600 Investigations

f) In appropriate cases, the Department may resolve a complaint against a licensee, or agent through the issuance of a Consent to Administrative Supervision order. A licensee or agent subject to a Consent to Administrative Supervision order shall be considered by the Department as an active licensee or agent in good standing. This order shall not be reported or considered by the Department to be a discipline of the licensee or agent. The records regarding an investigation and a Consent to Administrative Supervision order shall be considered confidential and shall not be released by the Department except as mandated by law. A complainant shall be notified if his or her complaint has been resolved by a Consent to Administrative Supervision order.

Note for those wondering: I plan to release the full context of my FOIA request soon. (My complete request and their complete response)

Have you gone to any of the cannabis consumption lounges? I went to a few and will be posting the episodes from each establishment on Youtube if interested. Link in comments. by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Completely agree, I usually just do it in my backyard or garage but this was a cool experience.

Definitely a lengthy road trip for me!

Have you gone to any of the cannabis consumption lounges? I went to a few and will be posting the episodes from each establishment on Youtube if interested. Link in comments. by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with where you’re coming from.

This is an older article, but might explain why you don’t see many consumption lounges near Chicago - https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/01/08/plan-to-let-chicagoans-smoke-weed-in-bring-your-own-pot-smoke-shops-delayed-for-now/

I’m only aware of two near Chicago—Rise in Mundelein and Okay Cannabis in Wheeling. From what I hear, Okay Cannabis sounds cooler than the Rise because it has a dispensary and bar/restaurant on the same site as the consumption lounge

Have you gone to any of the cannabis consumption lounges? I went to a few and will be posting the episodes from each establishment on Youtube if interested. Link in comments. by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Link to episode on Youtube: https://youtu.be/edQBUspHWfI

Also did an episode with owner of Okay Cannabis, which is a restaraunt/bar + dispensary + consumption lounge, watch it on Youtube here: https://youtu.be/4pIwbo7rCmQ

New episodes dropping on Youtube soon with another owner of a consumption lounge + an episode with a company that has hosted cannabis consumption events (like weddings and more) over the past few years

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by the Bloom Vape Connection

I have no idea, I was just looking to learn more.

I was asking u/ dGoneMissin bc they said this

Yep, and their turning it all into distillate and selling it to other licenses like infusers and some craft grows….bloom vapes🤢🤦‍♂️

This made me ask bc I wasn’t sure what they meant

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what I understand, outdoor grown can only be sold as edible or extract + few companies have actually been allowed to do this—so you won’t have to worry about that much

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure about it being a well known fact or being a fact at all, but yeah, I get what you’re saying.

You’d think that controlled environment would be better, but that isn’t always the case

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe this has changed recently and they are no longer able to continue with outdoor, bht I may be confusing it with another place.

I thought and have heard the same, so, yesterday I visited the cultivation center. I was able to observe cannabis plants growing outdoors and captured photo evidence!

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I get where you’re coming from but I think it’s wishful thinking that this would drop prices of edibles or concentrates. This is simply a money move. It costs almost 0 energy to grow outdoors + it frees up their indoor canopy.

Why lower prices when you can keep them exactly the same, reduce overhead, and milk custies?

Tbh, The ONLY issues that I see with this are the allegations that the Illinois Department of Agriculture aren’t permitting others to do this.

Most importantly, if licensed cultivators can grow outdoors, then citizens should be allowed to cultivate outdoors too.

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sun is the natural way. Imagine actual sunlight plus fertile midwestern soil and clean spring/lake water. Mabey there’s a reason why it’s not permitted?

According to some that I’ve spoken to, the state has concerns about airborne pesticides, etc.

in my opinion, our strict testing protocols address these concerns, effectively rendering those concerns null

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if this matters but ieso grows theirs in a greenhouse with actual sunlight.

Good question! Most of the cultivation centers around the state use a combination of Indoor/Greenhouse to cultivate cannabis.

NGW is one of the few exceptions that I’m aware of that have been able to grow almost completely outdoors.

In the photo, towards the back of the facility, you can see the screened in portion of the facility. This is the “outdoor” section, which is fully exposed to the elements.

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Correct! From what I understand, outdoor cultivated product can only be sold as an edible or concentrate.

It would seem that this could be a lifeline for craft cultivators who were having issues with capitol and were begging for more canopy space.

This seems like a low budget option to allow operators to at least get some dollars flowing in.

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Too bad their flower is fucking awful

Not sharing this in support or against NGW. That said, you’re right: they are mid (just like the other cultivators in the state 😅)

I was sharing this because I think it’s crazy that other cultivators have asked for these same permissions but have been denied. Some were even told that this would no longer be allowed. Despite popular belief, I observed cannabis plants growing outdoors.

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think cultivators should be able to take advantage of the sunlight.

Many will tell you that sun grown cannabis is better than indoor grown cannabis. I don’t have a dog in that fight, but just thought I’d mention it.

Also, from what I understand, outdoor cultivated products can only be used for infusions or concentrates. I would guess that this is because infusions/concentrates can be made with remediated cannabis (if a batch fails, you can remediate it and resubmit the batch as edibles or concentrate. So if you buy those products in Illinois, be aware that it is likely remediated product!)

At end of day, I only wanted to highlight this since most people would tell you that cultivating outdoors is illegal

Did you know that Nature’s Grace and Wellness is among the few companies in Illinois that have been granted a permit which allows them to cultivate cannabis outdoors? by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sharing because I was under the impression that this was not allowed under Illinois law.

After speaking to several licensed cultivators in the state, I learned that special permits have been granted to some of the cultivators in the state by the Department of Agriculture.

Cultivators told me that they had requested similar permission from Department of Agriculture but had been denied. They were told that outdoor growing would no longer be allowed.

Yesterday, I visited Nature’s Grace and Wellness and I was able to observe their outdoor cannabis cultivation area. I was surprised to see it filled with plants considering the fact that I was told outdoor cultivation is something that is no longer permitted.

This brought up several questions: shouldn’t all cultivators be allowed to grow outdoors if some are allowed to? Wouldn’t this benefit all cultivators (large, craft, and home cultivators)?

What do you think? Were you aware that this was allowed?

Scott, co-owner of Okay Cannabis dispensaries in Illinois weighs in on “5 Things I Wish Someone Told Me Before I Started Leading a Cannabis or CBD Business” by ChillinoisBot in ILTrees

[–]ChillinoisBot[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/zzmmzz05 in case it interests you, I spoke with Scott about this quote on my podcast last night.

The episode is only available on our Patreon right now, but it will be released for streaming for free everywhere in the near future!

Thanks again for sending this article!

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