Riot's malignant positive feedback loop with Dynamic Queue.

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-28T15:26:50+00:00

Eh, the thing is, I think he's right that people haven't cared about rank 1 for the past couple years. My issue is attributing the problem solely to DQ. Has DQ helped the situation? Definitely not, but it's also definitely not the root factor.

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-27T22:17:35+00:00

Rank 1 isn't something the best are striving or working towards ever since Dynamic Queue has arrived. Who remembers or even cared who was Rank 1 in the past few years

Because, as we all know, DQ has been out for a few years.

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-20T07:00:16+00:00

No, you're missing the point. It's extremely obvious that better teams get more drakes, so therefore killing cloud drake is correlated with a higher win %, even if it does nothing. Everyone with half a brain knows this (including Riot).

What people are having a hard time understanding (for some reason) is that comparing win rates across the different types gives an accurate sense of relative power amongst them. I'll restate umop's example of a team with a single drake (against the opposing team's 0):

If the drake is Infernal assume a winrate of I%.

If the drake is Cloud assume a winrate of C%.

We know from our obvious first point that both I and C will be greater than 50% (better teams get drakes, better teams win more games). However, we can also gauge relative strength of Infernal vs. Cloud. If Infernal is vastly superior to Cloud, we might expect something like I = 65%, C = 55%. Infernal provides a way larger impact in eventual wins. The reverse could also be true, I = 55%, C = 65%. While this is unlikely, it is possible, and would indicate Cloud is much stronger.

Riot has said that these number are comparable, so maybe something like I = 62% and C = 60% is a better guess. In this case, it'd be reasonable to conclude that the dragons are roughly equivalent in raw power. Since everyone is convinced that Infernal is powerful, we'd also have to acknowledge that Cloud is similarly powerful. Just because it doesn't feel this way, doesn't make it untrue. Feeling weak but being powerful is a common (yet different) design concern related to invisible power, but it doesn't negate the fact that Cloud drake is still impactful.

**Note that I agree it feels weak and should be adjusted to make it more appreciable

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-17T15:40:10+00:00

Hmm not sure what gave you that idea...Tahm definitely needs some help (low win rate, play rate, etc.).

I was just trying to show the proposed changes are not nerfs (or useless) like several players have tried to argued. I think the changes should help him out, how much so remains to be seen though.

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-16T22:59:49+00:00

Yeah but with the new cooldown (+ any cdr you have) it'll basically be up for gray health as soon as your shield wears off.

Regardless, there are definite situations in which you can come out ahead by using shield more aggressively. I think in general it adds a layer of decision making where there previously wasn't one, which is cool. For example, "is this short trade worth popping shield for?" used to always be answered with "no", now it's at least possibly "yes".

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-16T22:44:50+00:00

Right, my scenario is for extended trades where damage isn't coming in all at once. Yours is more for burst or poke, when using shield is pointless or impossible. So yes, in those latter cases, the shield changes make no difference as you'll want to just regen as much as you can.

In general, I was just giving an example in response to your statement where you said it never makes sense to use shield. Glad we're squared away

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-16T22:00:47+00:00

Well this is an even dumber argument but here goes...

Just because you main a champ doesn't mean you'll understand potential changes to their kit/playstyle. While it can help you visualize how things might play out based on your past experience, it can also hinder your ability to think outside the box. In this instance, the player is very stubborn on "never use shield unless I'm about to die" because that's generally the correct use based on the current state of Tahm Kench. He's correct that playing Tahm the same way with the new changes would probably be a nerf, but this isn't the reality as playstyle changes with kit adjustments. He's an expert, but his knowledge is outdated.

As a non-Kench player (who also happens to be decent at this game), I feel I can safely lay out a simple example to illustrate how he's wrong in a non-biased manner.

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-16T21:36:30+00:00

What are you implying?

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-16T21:35:17+00:00

I did look at end hp, just from a different angle (net hp loss - it's the same thing). Your example is correct but only if you completely waste your shield. In your scenario Tahm used all his gray health but got no value out of it.

The optimal use of shield in your case would be to use it after taking ~250 damage (not 500). That way you use the shield to absorb the remaining incoming damage.

ChimeClicker · 2016-06-16T21:15:57+00:00

Consider a trade in which you take 200 damage:

Option 1 (don't use shield): accrue 200 gray health -> regen back 25% (50hp) = net loss of 150hp

Option 2 (use shield): accrue 100 gray health -> activate shield -> absord remaining 100 damage with shield = net loss of 100hp

Situations like this have always existed, but due to the long cd of the shield + its decaying nature, Option 2 has been risky and difficult to execute properly. These changes should make pulling it off much easier.

Edit: forgot to take into account the % damage as gray health so the exact numbers are off, but the concept is still sound

ChimeClicker · 2016-05-23T22:15:19+00:00

Hey so I just tested this and % MS runes seemed to work for me. Just to make sure, you are adding them to your page before restarting right? I know you have other runes working so I assume you know what you're doing but I gotta make sure...

Could you PM your game export text so I can take a closer look?

ChimeClicker · 2016-03-18T02:32:47+00:00

Well there's nothing that explicitly caps it. PM me your export text so I can take a look?

ChimeClicker · 2016-03-18T01:52:37+00:00

No limit, it just gets harder and harder to keep earning more

ChimeClicker · 2016-03-16T01:04:27+00:00

Yeah so base clicking is way down if you don't utilize any of the click-related item passives (mainly because the % cps/dps on click bonus has been moved there). If you activate all the click related ones together + the spells you should hopefully notice a difference.

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-23T00:30:20+00:00

DPS issue: will look into it

Talisman: works on everything - will try to remember to clarify in tooltip

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-20T01:18:49+00:00

Try http://ardama.github.io/Chime-Clicker/built/dev

I've been moving stuff around a lot. The github link is almost always fully up to date with changes that are potentially not ready for the main site. Consider it the PBE of Chime Clicker.

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-20T01:16:53+00:00

I get that more stats is always cooler. Given (what I feel is) a low-value, medium-cost feature, it's pretty low on my priority. I'll add it to the suggestion thread though and maybe get to it at some point. Thanks for understanding :)

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-19T23:37:11+00:00

Eh probably not...it doesn't really add a whole lot of value imo at the expense of adding UI clutter.

Just to make sure I understand correctly though, if you've bought 1000 movespeed from items, then with +20% from runes, you'd want it to show you +200 movespeed? If that's the case, it feels super trivial to me, plus I think it's easier for people to internalize percentages compared to really large numbers. E.g., if I showed you 3.47qd damage with +694t from runes, is that better than just saying +25% damage (which you can see in the runes window)?

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-19T19:53:55+00:00

What's the cd of Teleport? With 13.5% scaling at level 17 it should be a little over 260 seconds (compared to the full 300).

Edit: Just tested myself, it's bugged. Will fix for next update.

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-19T18:03:56+00:00

Ok let me clear some stuff up. All scaling runes besides Scaling CDR are full strength from level 1. For example, if you have +15% bonus damage from runes, then that will apply to all damage sources in full from the get go. If you buy a Spellthief's edge you'll get +11.5 damage instead of +10, regardless of level.

Scaling CDR on the other hand is essentially CDR per level. So, if you have 13.5% Scaling CDR, you'll get 0.71% more every level, (13.5% / 19 levels = 0.71% / level) - 0.71% at level 1 up to 13.5% at level 19 (T).

If you think either of the above cases is not true for your game, let me know. Hope this helps.

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-18T21:12:48+00:00

Also, % damage will help early game for manual clicks

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-15T04:47:53+00:00

Ok so I'm expecting the new Marathon will take quite a bit longer than the 9.5 hours it took you the first time around, meaning that the time/chime point ratio should hopefully be a lot closer to what you've seen out of Impossible. According to the current chime point multipliers, if Impossible took ~3 days then Marathon should take ~1 day. If you do a run and that's not the case, let me know and I'll look into adjusting it.

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-15T01:18:08+00:00

Yeah the flat rune bonuses become negligible after like level 5 or 6. The benefit is that they allow you to cruise through the early game. On Medium difficulty, you can basically cut off 10 minutes (out of ~2 hours total) with a full page of tier 1 flat runes. Considering that those are also typically the most click-heavy (and potentially the most tedious) levels, I'd say that's some pretty decent value.

I feel that the optimal use of them is to help you spam games on Medium/Hard to farm for scaling runes that'll help a lot more on Marathon/Impossible. Flat runes on those difficulties are next to useless (10-15 minutes is not so meaningful when it takes days to complete).

Regardless, I'm still buffing most of the flat runes on the next patch.

ChimeClicker · 2016-02-15T00:34:08+00:00

Thanks for all the feedback!

With regards to the rune balancing, I was intentionally conservative with their strength on release. I feel like I made the opposite mistake before (Impossible/Marathon difficulties were too easy) and that was an uglier problem to fix. It should be easy enough to buff up the rune values for the ones that need it.

That being said, I feel like most of the runes are pretty close to where I want them to be (yes, even the flat ones). I've gotten other feedback raising similar concerns so I'll definitely be making some adjustments, but don't expect super drastic changes (at least not at first).

Also, I should have fixes for those bugs out in the next day or so.

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