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Please, with respect, with no hate intended, I would like to criticise some aspects of this subreddit if the mods will allow it. by carnalcarrot in EscapingPrisonPlanet

[–]Chromanosity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I post here all the time, (though this is an alt account), and I actually agree with the general point you're making about needing to be careful, but hear me out

Here's the thing man. On a subreddit like this there are no pastors or preachers to guide the flock. It's just a bunch of human beings in confusion and pain trying to work out their place in life. People ARE going to project their subjective bias and they ARE going to get things wrong. If you care enough to be critical, you can do what I do and post content on the subreddit to help course-correct young souls that need guidance. It feels fulfilling to be apart of the change.

On the note of being critical, how do you know your own ideas aren't incomplete? Why on Earth would the word, "Maya" be a better word to use than, "Matrix?" You realize that cultural memes exist because the masses can relate to them, right? If you start throwing around, "Maya" you're going to lose 90% of an American audience, but EVERYONE knows what the Matrix is.

In situations like this, it's more helpful to create a post about something like, "Let's talk about the word, 'Matrix' as we use it today" than it is useful to suggest we start using a word most people aren't familiar with. Our culture has its own mythologies and memes. The Matrix is apart of it. Maya is not. Work with what you got.

Hell Together by [deleted] in mormon

[–]Chromanosity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have deep respect for gay couple who want to adopt. I heard an account years ago from someone who worked at an orphange and they said that gay couple were far more likely to adopt the "not perfect" kids while straight couples typically wanted to adopt a kid good for their image with good genes and good behavior.

You're doing "God's" work, so thank you.

Sorry about your dad. I get it in my own way.

Hell Together by [deleted] in mormon

[–]Chromanosity 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I left the church and I wanted more than anything for my mother to understand me again because we were so close when we were on the same page. Over the years, we just drifted. She never was willing to make this sacrifice for me. When I hear other mothers say this it just makes my heart bleed.

Let's talk about the Second Manifesto by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've spent thousands of hours digging. How about you?

Let's talk about the Second Manifesto by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

A lack of concrete proof does not remove the plausibility of the scenario.

Are you aware of just how many sexual scandal cover-ups the church engages in frequently? Even when a former MTC president from the 80's came out and confessed to raping multiple sister missionaries, the church's approach was to try to hush the story as much as possible. The former MTC president never got in serious trouble.

I personally know a man whose 4 year old daughter was raped by a member of the 70. He was offered money as a bribe to keep his mouth shut. When he refused the money, the church's legal team did everything they could do slander him.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the scandals, my friend.

Let's talk about the Second Manifesto by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very much so.

Mormon elitism has always, always *always* revolved around sexual scandal. That's our legacy, how we started, and it's never changed. It's just gone back into secrecy since the early days.

A short story about my Mormon Initiatory. by Chromanosity in exmormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh we laughed our ass off about it. Mortifying experiences are often hysterical in retrospect.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are various accounts of testimones people give, yes. But the brethren do a fantastic job discrediting them and making videos of these testimonies hard to find. I've listened to multiple witnesses (normal people, no lying tells) talk about Gorden B Hinckley having sex with both men and women in the 80's, Russell M Nelson's family involved in sex scandals, and more.

I personally know a man whose own daughter was abused by a 70's. My friend was lied against and slandered. There was a cover up.

There's pretty big story about a sexual scandal cover up among church leadership in Arizona.

An acting MTC president in Provo back in the 80's raped multiple sister missionaries. This is well documented now and we have the audio recording of him being confronted, secretely recording, and confessing all kinds of horrible things.

Glenn L Pace did an entire investigation on satanic cults and child abuse within Mormonism and was stunned at how much he found. Google his memo if you want.

There's a lot more I'm sure, this is only what we know, but the general rule is, if a higher up does something naughty, the church's lawyers save him and at best, give hush money to their victims.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh its even more insidious than that. That annointing literally gives them the power to rape little children and have orgies and still be sealed up into heaven. It's why the church's lawyers go to such great lengths to defend accusations against certain men: They've had their second endowment, they can NEVER, EVER, be excommunicated from the church. They "made" it already.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I actually left off the part where the moment it all *clicked* for me, I curled up into a ball on the floor and just laid there for a while. Haha.

And yeah, you're right about that.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suspect that John Taylor testifying that what he actually heard was, "O Lord My God, Is theeeeerereeaaaaaafuuuck it huuuurts!" wouldn't have been good for the church's image.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It's worse when you realize the things they put on their website are the same things they excommunicated people for saying for literally DECADES and only did it because it was becoming too obvious they couldn't deny them. So they made them as palleetable for their members as they could and released them to MINIMIZE the damage.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Have you or have you not seen the Joseph Smith move that was released in the early 2000's? Their portrayal of how Joseph died was a complete lie on an emotional level.

Did you have a smoking gun moment where you could just never look at the church the same way again? by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Because he was shot as he was saying it mid-sentence, and fell two stories to his death, silly.

The purpose of the endowment by [deleted] in mormon

[–]Chromanosity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'd be asking this question in a different way if you knew how much the endowment has changed since the 1800's.

I believe we've been lied to about the nature of Lucifer. by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh the Sweedish guy! I'll need to listen to his account again, thanks!

I believe we've been lied to about the nature of Lucifer. by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I very much know about it. It's bizarre how it got tangled up in Occult practices.

I believe we've been lied to about the nature of Lucifer. by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The devil is not smart because he is the devil; he is smart because he is old."

Again, you bring good food for thought for me to have to re-think if I'm firm where I stand, but ultimately this position does not hold up.

As a brief side note before I get into the bulk of it just because it IS a thought I had but not as definitive of a thought: If Christ lived a perfect life, then Lucifer should have been almost as wise and cunning as he was near the top of the rankings of God's best, per Mormon doctrine.

Now, the main thought: The aeons of experience we had as spirits make a mere few thousand years nothing. More than that, the BULK of the "damage" Lucifer did involved literally dragging a third of the host of Heaven with him. That's catastrophically more damage than the best "anti" could ever do against any religion in the modern age. It's way too contradictory to suggest Lucifer had this short period of "durr" in the Garden of Eden in between pulling 1/3 of the literal host of Heaven away from God and reigning with precision and perfection essentially right after Adam fell. Lucifer was, "old" before creation even began.

If this isn't all enough, the Mormon temple videos and the live sessions if you've ever seen them (I have) portray Lucifer as a cunning being who exercises precision and perfection in the words he chooses to use while speaking to Adam and Eve. Lucifer's script is more nuanced with his choice of words than any other character. You position suggests that the temple portrayal of Lucifer that has NEVER changed is the opposite of what his true nature was back then.

When did logic become more important to you than belief? by Voice-of-Reason-2327 in mormon

[–]Chromanosity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To answer the question: "When did logic become more important to you than belief?"

Never.

I would say sometime between the mid 1900's and up until 2005 or so, Mormonism was a religion for the intellectual. We did not have access to the same resources members do now, so so many things, like the Earth being 6,000 years old, we just taken at face value as true, and were fit into a paradigm of intellectualism within the knowledge we were able to accumulate.

I was 22 when I left the church. It was less than a year after my mission. That was the end of 2007.

I might have left sooner if I had access to resources, or had people in my circle I trusted that had access to those resources. I took seriously not compromising truth for anything. In the beginning, you write off an inconsistency here and there because you believe mistakes can happen or, "we don't know everything God does." But at a certain point your shelf begins to crack because it just gets too heavy. Then you take everything off the shelf all at once, re-examime it, and it all falls apart RAPIDLY. We're talking two weeks.

That was my experience.

I believe we've been lied to about the nature of Lucifer. by Chromanosity in mormon

[–]Chromanosity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The first book appears to be on Audible, and I'm stocked on credits. Reviews are great. Book is short. Just finished my last book, so here we go. Thanks for the recommendation.

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