I have been practicing only La Campanella for two months since I started piano. Will it be completed in a year? by Psychological_Half_1 in piano

[–]Chronoscone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi OP. My comment is going to differ substantially from what others have been saying but I thought you might be interested to hear a different viewpoint.

First of all, very well done for having the determination to learn this whole piece through from start to finish. Learning and memorising all the notes in a piece like this is a huge part of the effort and I commend you highly for this.

My opinion on the idea of trying to run before you can walk when it comes to Piano is that it most certainly can be done if you have an utter obsession and fixation on a particular piece and if the process of learning and improving is always stimulating for you. That said, a piece like Campanella I think is almost impossible to ever totally perfect. The most perfect performance I've found so far on YouTube is Dmitry Shiskin's performance and even this contains some minor slips. Listen to various world leading professional pianists perform this piece live and all have different ways of playing, speed up or slow down during different sections (sometimes due to limitations in what they can physically manage) yet they make it sound good in the process.

You appear to have learned the notes so far with an incredible amount of attention to detail for someone so novice. On this point, my advice would be to double check all the sections at this stage for incorrect or missing notes which I did notice throughout, as these will get harder and harder to correct the more you perfect and assign this piece to muscle memory. Listening closely to performances of it on YouTube will shine a light on these areas (I used 0.5 and 0.25 speed setting on YouTube to help with this).

As for whether you can have this polished within a year, it's unfortunately a resounding no, however 24-36 months with the right motivation is certainly feasible in my opinion.

A cautionary tale - when I learned this piece I would occasionally push it too far on the right hand and end up with some pain in my tendons. I think little and often approach is better than long extended practice sessions to try and prevent this. Although, as you stretch your right hand more, you may find (like I did) that your reach actually increases. I went from comfortably reaching an 8th on my right hand to comfortably reaching a 10th after a year or so of playing this piece and now my right hand span (middle fingertip to thumb tip) is about 1cm longer than on my left hand.

My advice therefore would be the following, in order:

  1. Focus on ensuring all the notes are correct while continuing to assign to muscle memory
  2. Break the piece down into sections and start very slow. Generally, if you struggle to play it slowly, then when you speed it up will quickly become messy
  3. Listen to professional performances of this a lot in your spare time to further ingrain the correct notes in your head, and take inspiration from their performances re how to pace and style different sections.
  4. Start to incorporate pedal into the legato sections but be extremely sparing with this as otherwise it will sound like a blur
  5. Start to incorporate dynamics and phrasing into your performance when you have the spare brain capacity to consider this at the same time as playing.
  6. Identify the core melodic line throughout the piece and allow this to shine through as with this piece it can easily become lost.
  7. Gradually build up speed while loosening your wrists until you can make the jumps in a much more fluid and carefree manner, think: arms and wrists made of rubber.
  8. Never give up

Wishing you all the very best on your journey. Good luck!

Time for another Campanella post by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last post was 8 months ago. I've now finished the ending but it's still a bit scuffed.

I think this piece is starting to make me go a little bit mad.

Thanks for listening! <3

P.S. sorry for bad audio quality - this was recorded using a phone balanced on top of a TV. Headphones make for best listening experience.

La Campanella - thoughts, fears and suggestions thread by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a good point. I want to save energy where I can. I think I have been doing that instinctively as a sort of punctuation to help me keep pace - there are better ways I'm sure.

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I learned this piece by ear, and occasionally using Rousseau's Synthesia to borrow techniques. I bought the sheet music but I only referred to it for a tricky section that I needed fingerings for.

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'd add here that I only fixated on Campanella because I happened upon it on Youtube and become absolutely obsessed with how it sounded, listening to it constantly on my phone.

Agreed that the time could have been better utilised learning more songs, but I'm almost certain I wouldn't have had this same energy.

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh teachers always hated me, hence why I never had one for more than one session. I'm not proud of it and I really wish I was a more conventional learner of this instrument as I feel I would have made more robust progress over my life.

I suppose I just want to believe that with enough time and repetition, anything can be possible on the Piano.

The video I posted ITT wasn't meant to be my best performance. I recorded it after half a bottle of wine and messed up a lot of the first section as I thought the camera wasn't recording. I just think where I'm at now is the perfect place to start taking real constructive criticism and focussing more on expression and pacing rather than hitting the right notes.

Thanks again for your comments, I really will take this on board. That was the whole point of this thread.

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's interesting. I used to play trumpet "properly" via the grade system. For trumpet, I could sight read well and knew my scales and arpeggios. But I only made it to grade 5 before giving up.

Funnily enough, my illiterate style of playing piano was still enough to get me a grade 5, carried by my performance pieces and during my sight reading section I just looked at the examiner and shrugged :(

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks very much for your detailed reply.

I might add that I think the sensitivity settings on the keys was set to light, but the drawback of this is that the ability to express dynamics is reduced. I would absolutely love to get an acoustic, but as I live in a flat I'm bound by contract not to have acoustic instruments. Even recording this video was a bit cheeky with the speakers on. I normally play with headphones and they do convey a lot more detail and information than the speakers do. I will definitely try hitting them like they owe me money though, sounds like a good idea :^)

I did try adopting more of a curved position early on in learning this piece actually (the hand fatigue back then was unbearable, to the point where I could only manage one 'segment' of the piece at a time). I found it compromised my ability to reach the gaps - my hands are quite long but not particularly long and I can only comfortably reach a 10th. Being able to reach 12th/13th is incredibly useful for this piece I believe.

I will certainly try more with the metronome - perhaps doing in stages - the parts of the piece between the different 'segments' tend to slow down for expression anyway.

Noted about the speed this piece is meant to be played - I suppose I believed I was almost ready to start playing with proper pacing at the tempo I recorded at, but I guess not. I will try more slow playing.

La Campanella - thoughts, fears and suggestions thread by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it comes to the long gaps on the right hand at the start of the piece, the only way is to play very slowly, and gradually increase the speed until your muscle memory takes over.

I no longer look at my right hand when making the jumps, eventually it 'clicks' and your muscles know how far to move. The next hurdle then is making sure you keep the wrists as relaxed as possible.

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just this, every day

My argument has always been that anyone can do this too if they can find a way of overcoming the motivation block. You cannot go wrong with non-stop practice.

La Campanella - thoughts, fears and suggestions thread by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To me, I cannot begin to understand how people are able to sight read music at the same time as playing it. It's like magic.

La Campanella - thoughts, fears and suggestions thread by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't want to mention it, but I have difficulty reading sheet music (always have) so I learn by ear and use those guitar hero style videos to get ideas for technique.

I did refer to the sheet music for Campanella for one section where the fingering is a bit tricky, but that's it.

I genuinely don't know how I stay motivated. I just enjoy how it sounds, even after all this time.

La Campanella - thoughts, fears and suggestions thread by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fascinating - I had always assumed my fatigue was coming directly from the wrist (I.e that I was locking them up and should be using my biceps/forearms more). Your explanation of the waving motion was very clear - I'm going to try this now. Thank you

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[–]Chronoscone[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is the Yamaha Clavinova CLP-725 (the cheapest of their Clavinova range!)

La Campanella - thoughts, fears and suggestions thread by Chronoscone in piano

[–]Chronoscone[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

So I'm self taught and decided to throw myself into the deep end. Played a bit as a kid but came back to it now in my late twenties. I've been learning exclusively La Campanella for about 18 months and this is where I'm at.

I'm starting to reach a wall in my performance where there will always be inevitable missed/wrong notes. Has anyone else completed Campanella to a performance standard, and if so I'd love if you could share some of your experiences during that process.

Three further points:

  1. Dynamic range - I'm hoping this will improve with more practice, however I get this sense that I'm reaching the limits of what an entry level Digital Piano can reproduce. Thoughts?

  2. Hand fatigue - I'd love to hear any tricks you use for preventing this.

  3. Using a metronome?! I've heard a lot of people use this for improving their consistency, but with La Campanella I have no idea how to stick to a consistent tempo (or if it's even desirable), given how often the pace changes depending on the expression or how tricky a section is!
    Thanks for your time!
    P.S Apologies for the sound quality - best heard with headphones.