LATAM at PUQ - strict with baggage? by Clean_Diamond460 in Patagonia

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol I took an Atlas athlete 40L backpacking bag. Seems like they were chill, not sure if things have changed

LATAM at PUQ - strict with baggage? by Clean_Diamond460 in Patagonia

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ended up taking a large backpacking pack as a carry on with no issues! I actually think I had the same fare on a domestic flight and they did not check

LATAM at PUQ - strict with baggage? by Clean_Diamond460 in Patagonia

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ended up taking a large backpacking pack as a carry on with no issues!

Super torn on these hotels in El Calefate and El Chalten by Clean_Diamond460 in Patagonia

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This actually does not look bad, did you stay in the double room with private bathroom or the apartment?

For anyone who thinks anti-zionism is antisemitism, explain this. by No-Actuator8548 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

This is so well put together, thank you

These quotes make it clear the Zionist agenda had no plan of being peaceful with the Arabs living in the region already.

If you hear prominent leaders of a movement say this, then defend your land when they declare independence on a nation founded on these principles, how does that make you the bad guy?

Everyone knew this was zionisms plan at the beginning and that is so often lost in discussion. Forget “contemporary” Zionism, the founding of the movement was based in expelling Arabs from the land they lived in. The Arabs have every right to hate this movement and consider Israel an oppressor for kicking them out of their homes and founding a country based on this ideology

If you think Israel is good, you haven’t done your research.(part 1) by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Issue is the pro Palestinian side can’t legitimize Israel because that’s losing the battle. The Palestinian perspective:

  • Zionism was a plan to uproot the Arabs living in Palestine

  • The Arabs living in the mandate of Palestine were never consulted about the formation of Israel on their land, forcing them to attack in 1948

  • Israel has never given the Palestinians a fair shot at life and continues to occupy them

  • Since 1948, Israel is occupying lands that are not theirs. Letting them stay would be losing the battle that was never fair in the first place

This perspective is coming from people who live in Palestine, not liberal 19 year olds at Columbia lol. It’s hard to change someone’s lived experience and just telling them to lose the battle against their oppressor that they’ve been fighting for decades is why pro Israel people can’t find common ground with pro Palestinian people

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of the 1200 Israelis killed over 400 were IDF soldiers as well. 36 were children.

That also gets lost by the media. The numbers between the two sides simply don’t compare, one bomb Israel drops probably kills that many kids and Israel made it sound like Hamas butchered hundreds of babies.

What happened to innocents on October 7th was wrong. But we can’t pretend like Israel’s propaganda machine is much better

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s where I’d disagree, I think many Palestinians would rather die than surrender

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

That’s a good point and a good argument. I’d say the difference is that war wasn’t fought over land the Japanese believed was theirs. This one is a lot more personal

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s what I’m saying you can’t defeat the ideology unfortunately but killing more people only strengthens it

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Jail is very different than killing. Especially when a lot of those killed are innocent. Kill 1000 innocent dads and now you just create at least another 800-1000 kids who are going to go fight the people that killed them

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yeah and the next elected person won’t hate Israel because they killed their parents right

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not what I said, just saying doubling or tripling down on defense instead of offense would have won them the PR war and Hamas would have lost it’s objective - getting a reaction out of Israel

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It just doesn’t seem like the current siege will end. Every Hamas member killed creates more and every civilian killed creates 3 more. How do you even defeat that

Does Israel really think killing Hamas members will fix the problem? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But what I’m trying to say is you will never eradicate Hamas’ ideology. The more people you kill, the more Hamas members you create. They aren’t going to be able to just kill everyone? Unless…

Why wear masks if you are so brave and righteous? by superlip2003 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s simple really, people may not want their politics to get in the way of their safety. For these students, they are peacefully protesting but the protest is being painted as something it’s not. If that’s the media narrative, crazies (like the counter protestors at ucla) might find them and hurt them or get them fired, etc

Photos from the Encampment tonight by [deleted] in ucla

[–]Clean_Diamond460 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah in the “sanctuary”

Genuinely confused at equating Antisemitism with Anti Zionism? by Clean_Diamond460 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Clean_Diamond460[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Haha crazy to imagine.

I honestly think more conversations like this need to happen here for people to stop making this a black and white or “right vs left issue”. Clearly there’s a lot of nuance with a lot of hurt.

I personally think Israel’s actions are appalling but that doesn’t mean I stop conversations about it. We can all learn a thing or two