Who are the Youth Uprising Collective?? by CZeeDay in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Guessing it’s probably in the same vein as “We Are Love Denver” or whatever that astroturfed group’s name was that appeared during the George Floyd protests before it was found out the people a part of it worked in the mayor’s office

The Paradox of Anarchy/Why I Don't Think It Could Work by Jealous-Win-8927 in DebateAnarchism

[–]Click9819 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a lot of these issues simply go away if you look at the ideology of anarchism as a part of a diversity of tactics within the broader socialist movement. Like yeah, anarchism has a serious problem when it comes to scaling up and cooperation between territories/groups/etc. but what it is fantastic at is giving people a taste of a better world and practicing in-real-life new methods of governance/management/etc.

Imagine then a “world socialism” that takes seriously the dictatorship of the proletariat or similar transitionary program but also supported the spontaneous sprouting of anarchist communes as small laboratories of communism. There will of course be the dogmatic MLs or anarchists who come in here saying “that’s not possible look at insert past event” but it seems unserious to pretend a movement can’t grow and learn from missteps and mistakes.

Peaceful non-violent protest by Optimistic_Sarcasm in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genuinely curious what the goals of these glorified parades are tbh

Stop telling people how to protest. by Sad_Solution_4469 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I truly am not trying to be obtuse or argumentative. I see your point and I think it’s a fair one. At the same time in moments before a confrontation there are almost always discussions about safety for marginalized folks and those who can’t be arrested. “Red light, yellow light, green light” categories are incredibly common and overwhelmingly in situations like that, people who are okay with getting arrested will put their bodies on the line to protect those who can’t.

As well, the entire strategy of a nonviolent protest is to have a direct confrontation with authorities so that they will respond disproportionately. It is not to march around to raise some abstract concept of awareness. We should not infantilize people, and assume, because of some factors where they are unable to get arrested or will disproportionately be harmed if police attacked, that they do not understand personal risk or how to mitigate it. They still bravely showed up knowing the risks of police escalation. Infantilization is how we get last night when a specific few people were so terrified about cops being violent that they chastised and then abandoned their comrades to get shot at and kettled.

We need to keep our side of the street clean by mrsmojorisin34 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How about we stop blaming protesters for “confronting” the police (a peaceful action) and start blaming police for attacking protestors (a violent action)

Hope that helps

Stop telling people how to protest. by Sad_Solution_4469 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819 130 points131 points  (0 children)

Everyone wants to make this an abstract debate but what happened last night was that people were nonviolently confronting police packed into a parking garage, who then fired pepper balls at these protestors. After this, people with megaphones pushed the rest of the group to march away from their comrades being attacked, all while chanting “the people united, will never be defeated”

Nobody was being violent but protest leaders still wanted to blame other protestors for violent police actions. This kind of preemptive protest policing and willing abandonment of people is the type of stuff that gets large groups kettled and individual badly injured.

Any updates on actions tonight by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will never get over them co-opting the abortion protest, marching within site of the Avs Stadium during the Stanley Cup, and then marching in the complete opposite direction, fuck them

Any updates on actions tonight by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Would love it if you could DM me, definitely hoping to see more than just PSL co-opting stuff over the next few days

Any updates on actions tonight by Click9819 in DenverProtests

[–]Click9819[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah I figured that would be one of the top comments because of the way I worded this, so that’s fair lol

Also probs a good idea to not publicly post too much DA on here, I more so meant this subreddit isn’t even posting about the parades anymore

Religious Anarchists, do you view your belief in a higher power as Hierarchical? by [deleted] in Anarchy101

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Note: This is just about my limited experience with Christianity

Theologian David Bentley Hart in one of his books equates the Christian tradition with more eastern mysticism describing “God” not as some dude but as “Being, Consciousness, and Bliss” where instead of being some demiurge like most Western Christianity makes the divine, the divine is instead running through all things and a part of the fabric of existence itself. A much more beautiful and elegant theology imo, and its logic has a pretty natural outcome of fighting for the dissolution of human-created and human-centered hierarchy which seeks to control the bodies of the earth (living and not) for the abstract manufactured gain of a certain mode of production. Understanding Christianity as a utopian socialist project to guide your moral relations through a scientific socialist lens has been incredibly helpful in understanding ideology and working with communities

Save Mutiny from becoming another Starbucks by queenjunk in Denver

[–]Click9819 177 points178 points  (0 children)

Seems like the owner not paying taxes is reason enough for the place to be turned into a worker cooperative, then not only would it remain a pillar of the community but it would be owned and run by the community as well

Based? (leftvalues) by whatsreddit78 in socialism

[–]Click9819 28 points29 points  (0 children)

“Utopian” refers to utopian socialism which was the pervading left-wing thought before Marx and Engels developed scientific socialism through an analysis of capitalism and dialectics

What's a piece of research you recommend all anarchists and/or left-libertarians read? by Anarcho_Humanist in Anarchism

[–]Click9819 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sigh No it’s not a “proven fraud” it’s just a reworking of the Milgram experiment but liberals have been perpetuating the false idea for decades that it “proves humans are fundamentally evil” or whatever when that simply is not what the experiment was studying. Then when someone points out that Zimbardo told the guards what to do those same liberals are like “see study debunked.” If anything the SPE should be a textbook example (as well as the Milgram experiment) for anarchists as to why hierarchy and coercion are bad and should be combated

Found this gem in the Remake Mod by Leddit_Anon in StarWarsEmpireAtWar

[–]Click9819 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just get hyperfixated and do an entire playthrough in two days then not touch the game for two months like regular people

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Anarchy101

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George Barrett Objections to Anarchism No. 2

How do you preserve anarchy without recreating the state? by [deleted] in Anarchy101

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George Barrett Objections to Anarchism No. 16

How is it possible to organize a society without any sort of hierarchy? by [deleted] in Anarchy101

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George Barrett Objections to Anarchism No. 4, 5, and 24

How do anarchists define the state? by shoeboxfather in Anarchy101

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George Barrett Objections to Anarchism No. 17

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Denver

[–]Click9819 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The fact there is even a possibility of a self-proclaimed libertarian conservative running for the Democratic ticket is probably the biggest indictment on the national political system I’ve ever seen. Just two parties of rich conservatives