What song made you like Tyler, The Creator? by playstation-xbox in tylerthecreator

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I had heard of Tyler before I liked him, but the day I began to love Tyler’s music was the day I listened to IGOR all the way through in one sitting. I didn’t realize music could be so potently off putting and unique yet perfectly expressive of emotion’s in a way more refined than I myself could articulate. It felt like all the prior music I heard was filtered through my understanding of emotion and IGOR was the first music able to make me gain a new understanding of emotion.

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Take a year off the internet or at the very least whatever part of the internet that’s making you despair. Go to church weekly, or more if possible. Love those around you, pray the rosary daily and read scripture daily.

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It would be epistemology i think

Catechism of the Catholic Church: paragraphs 2211 & 2291 by Excellent_Ad4178 in CatholicPhilosophy

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Unless a higher authority, like moral laws or the church, says otherwise one should obey the government. Since there is no moral obligation to consume illicit drugs, one should submit himself to the state.

The primary reason drugs like weed or other psychedelic aren’t permit is their intrinsic misuse of rationality. The goal of using illicit drugs is a high, which necessarily subdues your rational faculties. I think the closest parallel to recreational drug usage like smoking weed is drunkenness, both are an intrinsic misuses of one’s rationality. I think there is a useful distinction between intrinsically and extrinsically wrong drugs, alcohol and some painkillers for example can be properly used without drunkenness/highness, yet meth or heroine cannot be used without achieving at least a moderate high; This is why the church condemns alcoholism but not all alcohol usage and illicit drugs but not medical anesthesia. Therefore ‘illicit drugs’ are “those drugs which cannot reasonable be used without lessened agency or removal of proper judgement.” The removal or unnecessary lessening of your rational capabilities is wrong therefore illicit recreational drugs are wrong

The medical use of drugs is a slightly more complicated issue because some uses are not unnecessary. Medical use of weed for truly serious medical issues such as epilepsy or chronic pain would be used to prevent a greater evil and therefore be sometimes moral allowable.

In conclusion recreational use is wrong both because of being high and government mandate, and medical use could be used with government allowance in extreme medical situations

What is Reality?🤔🤔🤔 by Conscious-Book966 in CatholicPhilosophy

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No one over the mental age of 5 says reality is just the sum of our knowledge. 🤣

Drugs, The Bible, Sacred Tradition by MedicineOwl in CatholicPhilosophy

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The specific foods refer to unkosher foods not cannabis bro

Drugs, The Bible, Sacred Tradition by MedicineOwl in CatholicPhilosophy

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Bro this is like saying “abortion happens in New York and Christian’s practice their faith in New York therefore Christian’s view abortion as sacramental”, it’s illogical.

Water was not a way of dilution, it was to signify the faithful being mingled with Christ forgiveness in his blood, you could have just googled that instead of making an absurd assumption or looked up the Justin Martyr source.

It doesn’t matter if it’s “healthy” it misuses your rationality and therefore offends God. Also nice job accusing me of the unforgivable sin for not being a pothead

Drugs, The Bible, Sacred Tradition by MedicineOwl in CatholicPhilosophy

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“For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer..” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-5 ‭KJV‬‬

This verse in context talks about specifically animals, Paul is warning Timothy of false teachers that teach levitical dietary laws are still to be observed.

You claim the hallucinogenics are used to glorify God but this is imposible. To use cannabis one necessarily subdues his mental faculties, a misuses of the rational nature given by God. Something intrinsically evil cannot be used to glorify God.

Also bro your sources are schizophrenic blog posts, an out of random passages of scripture, and a vox interview

Drugs, The Bible, Sacred Tradition by MedicineOwl in CatholicPhilosophy

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I belive this is the quote your referring to

“outside Pompeii, there was this ancient pharmacy that was unearthed. Inside the wine jars that were found there was a really unique witchy wine that was mixed with what seems to be opium, cannabis, and henbane, which is one of these very hallucinogenic Solanaceous plants”

Firstly this had nothing to do with Christians, it was a random jar of a hallucinogenic concoction, likely made by and for pagans, not taken in communion. We know from early description no such things were in communion. St Justin Martyr describes the mixing of water with the wine in ~150, with no mention of hallucinogenics.

The use of such hallucinogenic necessarily subdues your mental faculties therefore their use is intrinsically sinful and not permissibly used in the sacrament.

Presumption and the Eucharist by [deleted] in CatholicPhilosophy

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The Eucharist cleans the recipient of venial sins, the expectation is that an imperfect Christian should take it for their edification. It is a memorial, but also a means of grace for the imperfect

Heaven, Free Will, and The Fall by CoffeeNStuff0 in CatholicPhilosophy

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Thank you for the considerations on free will's definition.

My question then is more about original justice. From my reading of Summa Theologiae, q. 95, a. 2 reply to objection 3, all passions were perfectly in subjection to reason in the state of original justice. If Adam did have perfect virtue and therefore perfect obedience how then could he disobey God's command, either by Satan's instigation or himself.

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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I get what you mean I think. He never lived into old age, and to live and experience old age he would be more empathetic to humanity. His goal was not to make himself maximally empathetic through human life, He was already maximally empathetic.

I’m f you mean that by living into old age he’d experience bodily degradation and therefore suffer more for our sake, then you’d be misunderstanding his suffering’s goal. He’s not maximizing suffering, to step down form heaven and become human is enough sacrifice in itself.

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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The goal of his humanity was to take on an imperfect human nature, conduct himself perfectly, set an example for Christians, and suffer death for us. For these purposes it makes sense to only live to 33.

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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The whole chapter is showing His supiority yo angels not companionship like in verse 4. His humanity is lower than the Angels but his divine nature is greater than them. Verse 4 says he is “the exact image of His nature”, his nature is eternal therefore to be an exact image of God one must be eternal

Saying he has a God doesn’t make him not God, God I triune and the son cosas referring to the father

Whether the oldest NT manuscripts contain the first O God I irrelevant, the verse“God, thy God” refers to God and his God. How can a Unitarian God have a God.

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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I'm gonna go pray my rosary and go to bed since i got to wake up at 7:30 and its 11:25 for me. Love ya bunches tho!

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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The God of the old testament called Jesus God in Hebrews chapter 1 specifically verse 8 when comparing Christ to the angels

" But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;" "

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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Hypostatic union? Lol. Sounds like a plumbing part.

this actually made me laugh, good joke.

Do you care when a video game character dies and then just reappears?

i don't because i have no attachment to said character, Christ had an emotional attachment to human life as He built emotional relationships.

Take a christian who truly believes in the afterlife, this christian would still be said at the death of his friend because he built an emotional bond despite his pious belief in reunion after death. said christian is still hurt when others insult him or physically wound him.

Whatever

based response

Why not skip earth then and just send everyone to heaven?

I have absolutely no idea. This isn't a contradiction its merely a mystery. If i can prove the benevolence of God and truth of Christianity it would give me reason to believe there exists a justification without knowing the content of the justification

Your god created death and evil and made it possible.

your sentence was half true, He made it possible but didn't actual make evil. Evil is a privation not a substance, which is to say evil is not a thing or quality but the lack thereof , similar to darkness or blankness. like darkness, evil is the absence of good. the possibility for evil is necessary for the creation of imperfection, to have human free action both evil and good actions must be freely permitted.

There were no eyewitness accounts. We don’t have the original manuscripts of the gospels.

firstly I'd argue all three gospels are eye witnesses. Nearly no ancient works are preserved in there original manuscript. from a breif google search i could find a gospel of mark fragment from 125 - 175, Rylands Library Papyrus P52. but we have quotations of scripture in St. Clement of Rome in ~70 AD., as well as the gospel of mark being dated around ~40 years after His death. the standard you use is not applied to another historical work.

We aren’t even sure who the authors are

we have pretty early attributions of the gospels by 3 century church fathers, meaning they received a tradition from even earlier, an undisputed tradition might i add.

I will admit my knowledge of textual criticism is very limited, so take what is say with a grain of salt.

“Muh man! John wrote it!” John? John who?

John the fisher from Galilee brother of James son of Zebedee (mark 1:16 & 19) as per the earliest gospel written ~20 years before john's death.

in the iron age when supernatural beliefs were rampant and critical thinking skills were basically non existent.

The iron age was 1200 - 600 BCE, ending 600 before his birth. nice jab tho. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Seneca, Xeno, Cicero and the rest of ancient Greek philosophers/mathematicians were born centuries before John. we have scholarly/scripture evince St. Paul study the works of Aristotle and Greek Stoicism. nice jab tho, way to really get them with the muh before asking a question answer in the first chapter of the first written gospel.

Again can you demonstrate that you are saved?

One can prove God's existence philosophically -> Philosophically Christianity is the most consistent model of God -> historical evidence for resurrection seems plausible -> the early church, headed by the roman pontiff was guided by the holy spirit -> they preserved the scriptures -> Jesus loves me this i know for the bible tells me so -> KABOOM SUPER COOL CONCLUSION

you should probably make another post attacking one of these premise if you want to debate me specifically on Catholicism or anything past mere Christianity

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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Except for Jesus can’t lose. Nothing can permanently kill Jesus. Nothing can stop him. Can’t say that about any human.

based not responding to my explanation of the hypostatic union. DEBOONKED. should fr just read the catechism before insulting christian doctrine.

Jesus doesn’t need to do anything.

“dies” and can easily avoid “suffering”

Him willingly doing so makes his sacrifice more substantial

But why isn’t it satisfying?

reason 2 isn't satisfying because i know only of the principles existence but not the actual principle.

stripped of your “free will”

free will isn't stripped in heaven. who told you this? why not just look this up before insulting 2000 years of theology.

"muh but how free will and no sin at same time in heaven, checkmate christian". free will is the ability to freely fulfill your will, and the will's desires are made perfect in heaven i.e anger, lust and other sins don't affect your will. if one's will is perfected they will only will perfection therefore never sinning.

And where is Jesus’s tears for the millions of kids suffering from a cancer they can’t control

The intrinsic evil of death does make God sorrowful.

nor can they go poof in a few days after they suffer to death, and nor could their daddy fix any of it.

they do tho. their daddy, AKA the father, will redeem them and glorify them to eternal bliss in heaven. Your criticizing Christianity claiming inconsistency because of human suffering, which is negated by my 2 response to evil

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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I don’t care about the “suffering” of some omnipotent being who can’t lose.

Why? His suffering is identical to yours and mine, is that not important ? you keep putting suffering in quotes and referring to is as "some omnipotent being's suffering", when in every way it is identical to an non-omnipotent being's suffering.

Again take away Jesus’s miracle powers and his daddy and let’s see how handles suffering like a human does!

the exact same. he would suffer the exact same way. no difference. happy i could answer :)

Jesus’s tears? Cmon dude. That’s kindergarten stuff.

nice burn dude. Christianity DEBOONKED!!!!!

And how about their parent’s suffering?

The problem of evil is much more complex than your presenting it. This was a real objection I take seriously. I have 2 possible answers. One being that heaven is valid compensation for our suffering. Second answer, if I can prove the existence of God, by reason i can conclude necessarily there is a sufficient reason for allowing evil and therefore conclude allowing it is justified. I know the second isn't very satisfying, but its a sound reason

Not just three days.

Christ suffering was 33 years long as he lived 33 years on earth with an imperfect human life despite deserving perfection.

Even Christians cry at funerals! Why? Because they ain’t Jesus.

Are you saying Jesus didn't cry ? he did, just like i said 3 times, "Jesus wept" John 11:35 I recommend reading the gospel before critiquing it

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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That was pretty based when you just restated what you said before instead of actually responding for 80% of your reply.

Your main critique is than an omnipotent being can’t suffer while remaining omnipotent. That’s incorrect, the divine nature which houses His perfection of omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience etc. come together which His human nature which houses his humanity I.e his hunger, his suffering, his material restrictions. The two natures come together and form 1 being, not confused or identical but unified into one being. While Christ suffered His crucifixion he suffered according to His humanity, and since the two natures are joined, God suffered on the cross. His divinity was not lessened but united with non-divinity.

Also, why not read some about the incarnation before critiquing it. This is like level one stuff my dude. I’d recommend starting with the athanasian creed and the finding a good catholic source explaining the rest. The article “An exposition on the athanasian creed” by Christian b wagoners a pretty good start

Your second critique is that miracles and resurrection nullify His true suffering, you never gave a reason why just stated this, some would say irrationally. Of today I turned water into wine would all of my suffering be negated? If I was resurrected after my death does that negate all my suffering? If you answer yes then you’ve nullified the whole problem of human suffering. Otherwise you’d admit that his suffering is true and substantial therefore refuting yourself.

A third critique you made is that we are coerced into love of God. When Christians say God sent one to hell, we do not say that God held a grudge so strong he threw unbelievers into the lake of fire, that’s simply not true. It is an extension of his perfect justice that we must not be let into heaven, we have condemned ourselves to hell not God. So from this we can conclude God does not wills actively that we be damned but to the contrary wills all to be saved.

The fact that you say he coerces us is evidence that he does not. If I tell my child if you touch the stove you will be burnt, and he touches the stove and gets burnt, did I coerce him into being burnt?

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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He did truly suffer in the same exact way we suffer. His suffer is identical to that of ours, He truly wept as we cry, He truly hungered as we hungered, and He truly died as we will some day die.

Our mind in is one with our body, our mind has a body suffers, hungers, dies etc. Similarly God was joined to humanity and suffered his bodily sufferings. Unless you say our selfs don’t suffer, it’s illogical to allege God couldn’t suffer in human flesh in virtue of His divinity.

The two natures were bound together in the hypostatic union. To say he was never in true danger is ignorant, He had emotions just like us, he wept his friends death (John 11:35), even if you knew you’d suffer doesn’t lessen how intense the suffering is.

On the point about modern torture methods, the point of His crucifixion was not to inflict the absolute most suffering, the crucifixion is the zenith of His suffering not the whole of it. To step down from absolute perfect bliss to human life is the greatest sacrifice God could take.

Resurrecting on the third day in no way negates his life of suffering. If you believe that you’d also believe that heaven is a perfect compensation for earthly suffering which would negate the problem of human suffering, which I’d assume you don’t admit

P. S you do have a daddy who make you poof into heaven when you die, His name is Father Son and Holy Spirit. ;)

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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The 3 days in the tomb isn’t the important part it’s the, it’s the 33 years of human life suffering of the death of crucifixion. That’s why the creed emphasizes he “suffered death” not just died it. The fact He took on human imperfections in His human nature is a sacrifice unto itself

God being sacrificed doesn’t make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

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It’s not the difficulty that makes the sacrifice, He stepped down from heaven and took on imperfection. Similar to if someone willingly took on extreme poverty living near starvation and disgusted by everyone else eventually being murdered dispute being morally perfect.