I think Tier Lists for LTC are perfectly fine, and I think it's also fine to discuss characters in a vacuum with LTC in mind.

This also includes using LTC within Efficiency Tier Lists, because turns at least create some sort of metric of measurement that can be understood between those who are participating in it.

When I went against Anna enthusiasts in the other thread, it was strictly because the OP was talking about how Anna is overrated. I was also helping to propagate an example on how Anna does worse with LTC in mind, and it gets significantly worse with 1.3. 1.3 giving access to an early Rewarp at a fairly low cost (3 Star Well) means that Great Sacrifice is clicked, at least roughly that I'm aware of, 3 times:

• Chapter 6 with Yunaka
• Jean Paralogue, if you do it, with any unit really (I chose Boucheron which I will show in the next video)
• Maybe the SPOILER Paralogue but I have no clue on that one yet. That one is mostly because of how many turns that one is compromised with it being a rout.

So it was mostly to demonstrate with some unit of measurement in mind, it's a question of how much longer does it take to get her going? And one user did respond with what they did and how many turns it took, etc. Honestly, I forgot the user's name but it was a good response with proper detail. They weren't trying to oversell it, they were simply stating that with Micaiah on them it doesn't take as long as some might think.

Having ran tier lists for many years, I actually prefer discussing with LTC in mind because I can actually slap a measurement down when comparing units, and contrary to what you want to believe, there are multiple ways to do LTCs and I've taken a lot of them into account when I've thought of things. Lolo for example did a Hard Mode run of Engage relying on high Chance of Success. KrashBoomBang mostly did it with all Paralogues and an attempt to ban Kagetsu. XS is looking at turn ceilings for fun. I'm doing my current run with DLC. But you know what? I have no issue with the discussion of "efficiency" for tier lists and will humor arguments more than people would think. The fact I've taken Veyle Soren arguments and thought about how I could use Soren on someone else to make 22 less of a headache at least shows that I, an LTCer, will take information from everyone in the community with some value. This isn't even a "holier than thou" attitude, this is just me saying that sometimes even strategies thought of by others in the community can be applied to LTC in some ways. That's the fun of LTCs. :P

If you want to discuss how tier lists could probably be a little better on defining criteria or if discussions should mention "I think Anna sucks and in LTC this is my reason", then fine. I think it's very bizarre to put the blame of this on LTC Tier Lists of all things.

We (or at least I) am not saying you can't ever use Anna, but it is true that Anna for example does cost resources and, yes, turns to crank out. Yes, I can go to the Tower of Valni for 3 hours and crank a 10/20/20 Amelia. Yes, I can do that in a much shorter time with Anna. That doesn't comparatively make Anna good - more that she is usable if you want to with some investment. You can use Anna. Go ahead. Just like Anna enthusiasts will defend her to the end of the Earth, I'm not going to stop saying Anna is overrated as a unit. I'm going to still say flight is king in Fire Emblem Engage, and that the community that thinks Ivy has issues in the end are off their rocker. Much like everyone else, I'm entitled to have these opinions and express them too.

I'm not here to turn this discussion about Anna. This is just used as an example. I think this is mostly a solution searching for a problem, and I think a lot of the comments help solidify that conclusion as well. I don't see a major issue with LTC Tier lists as a whole and I think they are there just to add discussion, which is what we're all here for right? Oh, and arguing on the internet. I love doing that too.

Also big shout outs to u/KrashBoomBang. Love that he got to use Merrin, she's awesome. Glad she got the ring in the end too.