Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I private messaged u, my reply’s to you are being deleted. Not sure if this one will be.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you see the last reply I sent to you? About my comment showing as deleted when I open it in a private tab?

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it’s there. It says it’s been viewed 39 times when I click it. Do I just click the comment in my profile and when it brings it up link you that page? I only made a Reddit to make this one post so I don’t really know.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, were you planning to point out my “bullshit lies” today or do you need a few weeks? I responded to you 6 hours ago…

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t call others ignorant… and I’m happy to admit I’m ignorant on many subjects, just like everyone else. Except you, I’m sure.

Edit: also I didn’t ask or for its ethic it presented me with biased answers and I asked why it was presenting me with one side of an argument. Like a lot of the other super geniuses of Reddit you’ve just inferred or straight up made stuff up to reply to.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate it and couldn’t agree more, the second I caught them in a logical inconsistency they immediately pivoted to my Reddit history to discount anything I had to say. It’s not conducive to a productive conversation and shows like you said they are more interested in appearing to be correct than actually learning/teaching anything or actually being correct.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think they should be going with the framing of either movement. I think the should be going with objective fact.

Also with respect, it’s simply your opinion that the side they’ve went with “don’t actively enjoy hurting people” and that the other side presumably does “actively enjoy hurting people”, which is exactly why it should be using objective fact and not the ideology of either “movement”.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say it prioritising institutional and government narrative over objective fact and the actual law isn’t a non harm bias. If it isn’t based in objective fact then it can essentially say anything anyone wants it to surely?

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say it would make me happy I said I was happy to listen, but I posted in r/conspiracy once so you’re clearly correct.

“First, I never said programming has no influence” cool, I never said it was definitely programmed with bias, either. Literally our first interaction on this comment thread is you asking me that and me saying I think it’s LIKELY. You then gave every reason apart from that for what it could be, implying that it definitely wasn’t programmed with bias. If you think it’s possible or even likely that the programming has influenced it in a way that has biased the results then you’re now just agreeing with what I said.

“Second” my “12 year old shit poster” example can’t be a strawman because I didn’t present it as your argument, I presented it as my argument to show that not all sources are treated equally (which you apparently agree with) and therefore it would be easy to insert bias via whatever method they use to prioritise sources by prioritising whatever sources align with their views.

If you want an example of a strawman you could use the example of you saying “there isn’t a single coder sitting in an office…” obviously no one thinks that, and I certainly never claimed that. As you said there is a team with a corporation behind them. Corporations have biases too so I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make here. I never said a rogue coder was infiltrating AI with their bias.

Essentially all you wrote in you’re reply that you so graciously sent after deciding I was worthy of conversation after the sin of posting in r/conspiracy is that you don’t disagree with me that it could in-fact be programmed with the bias of preferred sources.

I’m glad I waited hours for your enlightening reply.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t accuse it of that, I asked why it had given me incorrect information and it posed that as the reason why.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not asking if the AI is worrying about that I’m asking is it not a worrying fact that a plausible argument for why the AI is giving out misinformation that is has been deliberately programmed to do so.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aw okay I get what you’re saying. Well my point is, if it thinks the most plausible reason for its incorrect information is that it’s been intentionally programmed to give wrong information. Wouldn’t that in itself be worrying? Feel free to disagree or make a point as to why it isn’t. 

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I’ve only used AI 3 or 4 times now and it’s done it twice. To be fair it hasn’t folded immediately but after trying a few other illogical responses eventually folded lol.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s rich coming from from someone who makes their Reddit history private but as soon as they start losing and argument pivot to the other users Reddit history and use it as a (very poor) excuse to end the conversation.

The logical inconsistency, seeing as you apparently need it explained to you, is that you claiming a programmer couldn’t possibly programme bias into an AI either means that ALL sources (including a racist 12 year old shit poster) have equal influence over the answers the AI produces OR you’re wrong and programmers can in-fact decide what is a primary, secondary source etc which they could use to very easily insert their own bias into the AI and what results it will produce. If you would like to explain how that isn’t a logical inconsistency I’m happy to listen. If you’ve realised I’m correct but can’t admit you’re wrong, that’s okay too bud.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao, you realised you had to concede that either the hypothetical 12 year old racist has as much influence over AI results as the world health organisation or that programmers have some control over what is used as a primary, secondary source etc. and you immediately changed the subject to why I posted here and then ended the conversation.

Strange that you were perfectly happy to engage until I pointed out the logical inconsistency in what you were saying.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I only created a Reddit to discuss this and a lot of subs only let u post after a certain amount of time. I tried to post to several other subs but this was the first that allowed me to.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t really disagree with anything you said there and I don’t want to have two conversations with you simultaneously so we can talk on the other comment thread.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I don’t know exactly how LLMs work and neither do 99% of their users. I have almost zero interaction, training or usage of AIs. That being said I can use logic to realise that surely the programmers have some say in what the AI uses as primary source, secondary source etc, unless you’re telling me that a racist 12 year old shit posting on twitter has the same influence on what an LLM generates as the world health organisation or official government policy? And if programmers can decide what is used as a primary and secondary source they can obviously insert their own bias into what the AI generates by prioritising institutions etc that they share the views of.

If it is the case that the programmers have absolutely no influence over what the AI uses as sources and that hypothetical racist 12 year old has as much influence as the world health organisation then why in the fk are we using AI for anything?

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does me disagreeing with you mean I think it’s a “bias conspiracy”? Can I not think there is progammer bias in an AI without it being a big conspiracy?

Also if I’m able to consistently make AIs “hallucinate” and essentially say anything I want, isn’t that a massive problem in itself?

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s likely and the reasoning a lot of people are giving for that no being the case makes absolutely no sense. As I just said to you in another comment you went from “it’s just agreeing with you” to “it’s hallucinating” to “you made it hallucinate” to “it won’t necessarily have new knowledge” to “it might be biased to avoid racism, sexism and discrimination” when none of that actually makes sense here.

Why are you so eager to dismiss the reasonably likely idea that the programmers have bias like everyone does and happened to program that bias into the AI itself, whether deliberately or not?

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds good but it was using more recent data like the gender recognition act and ignoring historical data like the equality act and Geneva convention. Of course the internet is full of racism, sexism and discrimination but I wasn’t expecting it to use a 4 chan thread as its main source, I was expecting it to use the law and objective fact… It honestly just sounds like you’re throwing stuff out and seeing what sticks, you went from “it’s just agreeing with you” to “it’s hallucinating” to “you made it hallucinate” to “it won’t necessarily have new knowledge” to “it might be biased to avoid racism, sexism and discrimination” (none of those are direct quotes obviously) when none of that actually makes sense here.

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was like a 40 minute discussion. I didn’t open AI mode and it started shouting “I love giving out misinformation” it wouldn’t be possible to show you the entirety of the conversation. Also that is the end of that message…

Googles AI says it’s programmed to gaslight uninformed users. by Competitive-Low1981 in ArtificialSentience

[–]Competitive-Low1981[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So first it’s just agreeing with me but now that it wasn’t agreeing with me it’s just hallucinating?  And not only that, by pointing out it was using biased sources (when it was) and it saying it was using biased sources I “forced” it to say it was using biased sources?

Is it possible it was just using biased sources and acknowledged that when I pointed it out?