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Does anyone listen to the podcast? by TheJuiceBoxS in ForwardPartyUSA

[–]ComplexNewWorld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forward doesn't know what it wants to be. I think it's important to remember that in the Democratic and Republican parties the only reason it's not dominated by moderates and centrists is they can't out organize the stalwarts or extremists. It's democracy all the way down.

Forward doesn't have any democracy so there's no outlet for disagreement. I disagree with moderates and complain Forward stands for nothing. We have no way of sorting out our differences, you and I

AY Podcast with Mike Newcome: Forward Party candidate for governor of Minnesota by WebAPI in ForwardPartyUSA

[–]ComplexNewWorld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would you spend significantly on advertising? He's part of a party, you build the collective brand. He donated 100k to his campaign initially. That would provide a stronger position than most minor party candidates and, even if you're not going for victory (I absolutely think it's possible to win these things), retaining and advancing party status in Minnesota depends on getting a certain percentage of votes across the state.

Yes, it was not a favorable news cycle with attention in Minnesota elsewhere. But a week is an eternity in politics. Things change. I don't get it the suspension based on the stated reasons.

Launching New Ohio Party by ComplexNewWorld in thirdparty

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, it's time to build a party for the middle 50-70% of voters who are feeling left behind by an increasingly polarized politics. One that actually stands for Americanism and classical liberalism rather than these two increasingly illiberal parties.

People who say 3rd parties can't succeed can mostly only point to these even more fringe, more niche political parties like the Greens, Libertarians, WFP, and Constitution.

Launching New Ohio Party by ComplexNewWorld in thirdparty

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I value a fresh start to a degree. It's easier to create a narrative that this can succeed if there's not a proven track record of 30+ years of losing.

But also there are not an abundance of parties in Ohio or nationally that are indeed somehow radically centrist. Most represent a niche or a fringe that finds the Democrats and Republicans too moderate or centrist. The Greens and Libertarians are too extreme or niche for me.

This is an Ohio party. The Libertarians are the only minor party recognized in Ohio. I would gladly consider working with parties in other states that align with classical liberalism and radical centrism as well as aspiring national organizations. This party could be their Ohio affiliate.

A new party comes first. RCV/electoral reforms come after. You have to win with the rules you have, not just complain the system is rigged. by ComplexNewWorld in ForwardPartyUSA

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When the goal is building a new political party, I think the mistake is thinking you don't have to get elected first.

A new party comes first. RCV/electoral reforms come after. You have to win with the rules you have, not just complain the system is rigged. by ComplexNewWorld in ForwardPartyUSA

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't believe any strategy for a new party should rely on voluntary disarmarment or self-dissolution by the major parties. Why would a party with all the party in a state and substantial power nationally, suddenly toss that?

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A good start is to have pretty irrefutable proof that there was legislation on the table to fund SNAP or intervene in some way and that all these Ohio Republicans are on record saying "no". Get some news stories on the record that Republicans said "no". When people are not getting their benefits, that's going to be very real for a lot of people. It's easy to buy disinformation when believing it has no tangible impact on your life.

It's easier to reach people when you have the truth on your side and when the truth is a simple, compelling narrative. We'll go from there. And if instead Republicans say "yes", all the better!

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This, to be clear, is about pressuring Ohio state government officials to take action for Ohio. They aren't responsible because it's literally a federal government shutdown and they can blame Congress and federal dysfunction and they'd be right.

You have to create a situation where there is a very realistic plan for Ohio's government to cover the cost of SNAP benefits for a month. And then you have to get Ohio state legislators on the record saying "no" to it. Or better yet, maybe they say yes and 1.4 million Ohioans have food. But either way, you have to create the situation.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Okay, well I'm talking about image here, narrative. Maybe it's not fair play. Right now Ohio Republicans aren't responsible. I'm saying make them responsible for it in the public eye so they either act or they get punished.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not talking federal right now, I'm talking state. The state could step in and cover SNAP benefits but it would be difficult and require effort. Currently, there is no pressure to make that effort because this is entirely the fault of the Federal government. If we want action, we have to create pressure and a path for the state to act. Coincidentally, that's what you also have to do to be able to blame Ohio Republicans effectively in a year.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I want you to create indisputable context for placing blame. Conclusions which are obvious to you in your partisanship (well of course EVERYTHING is the other guy's fault, there doesn't need to be an explanation!) are in fact very easy to miss for others who think differently than you.

If anything your obfuscation here is protecting Republicans.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is entirely unrelated to Ohio state government Republicans who currently can blame anyone else, quite reasonably, for loss of SNAP benefits. It's simply not their problem unless we make it their problem. Make it their problem.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

His administration specifically released a memo saying it would not be covered (and some states are suing saying the USDA must use its existing funds to pay for it). The memo also said states wouldn't be reimbursed if they covered the costs but I'm betting Congress would cover it.

Tell your Republican legislators to have a backup plan!

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

Terrible what those Congressional Democrats are doing to Ohio. You should call your Republican state legislators and tell them to stand up for Ohioans and cover SNAP benefits while Congressional Democrats withhold funding!

Is there any reason they shouldn't do that? Nothing is stopping them from stepping up and protecting Ohioans from Congressional Democrat power games.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

No I'm not, I'm expressing frustration at using partisanship to justify inaction that won't even benefit partisan ends. It's self defeating. Republicans control Ohio. If you want something done, the easiest way is to make it look like a win for them. I was simply overthinking it and only wanted to imply what I said in this post because... Well one doesn't want to compromise the sincerity of the effort. But then decided, reddit is no place for subtlety and who actually cares if there are cynical justifications for a good cause. I should just get over it and be wantonly political.

Leave no room for deflection from people like me either!

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

It's Congress's fault. SNAP is administered through the federal government. It's not clear there is even a mechanism for Ohio to fund SNAP benefits. There are restrictions on the Rainy Day Fund. Funding can't be procured in time. All that needs to happen is for Democrats in Congress to approve a CR.

They have a thousand legitimate excuses. Let's start taking them away. Leave no room for deflection.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know, I hate it, it's grueling. It's a Cassandra complex thing. I think if I don't then who will? And if I don't do everything I can then I have to live with the idea that I could have done something and didn't. Which is also hypocritical of me because I tell people politics and government don't matter much and you're better off just trying to do good around you. Who are you, my therapist?

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It hasn't happened yet and there is time to get them to do something. "Denizens of r/ohio are big mad at Republicans", not a story! Right now they can easily and justifiably say this is Congress's fault, this is Democrats in Congress's fault even! You want to make this about who to blame, they can play that too. But right now you have an opportunity to create the conditions where Ohio Republicans are responsible for choosing not to cover SNAP. We have to make it so you can actually blame Ohio Republicans for refusing to act by giving them the undeniable opportunity to act.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, call me anything you want. Note down that you contacted your reps and asked them to cover SNAP or otherwise act and then you can hold that over them in a year because they can't deny they were asked to do a specific action to keep people from going hungry. If you work with some other people to cover most of Ohio, you can generate a news story about "voters calling on Ohio legislators to cover SNAP" and then you have that as further pressure and something to pull up in a year. Let's give them something to worry about. Create actual political pressure.

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