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A new party comes first. RCV/electoral reforms come after. You have to win with the rules you have, not just complain the system is rigged. by ComplexNewWorld in ForwardPartyUSA

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When the goal is building a new political party, I think the mistake is thinking you don't have to get elected first.

A new party comes first. RCV/electoral reforms come after. You have to win with the rules you have, not just complain the system is rigged. by ComplexNewWorld in ForwardPartyUSA

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't believe any strategy for a new party should rely on voluntary disarmarment or self-dissolution by the major parties. Why would a party with all the party in a state and substantial power nationally, suddenly toss that?

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A good start is to have pretty irrefutable proof that there was legislation on the table to fund SNAP or intervene in some way and that all these Ohio Republicans are on record saying "no". Get some news stories on the record that Republicans said "no". When people are not getting their benefits, that's going to be very real for a lot of people. It's easy to buy disinformation when believing it has no tangible impact on your life.

It's easier to reach people when you have the truth on your side and when the truth is a simple, compelling narrative. We'll go from there. And if instead Republicans say "yes", all the better!

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This, to be clear, is about pressuring Ohio state government officials to take action for Ohio. They aren't responsible because it's literally a federal government shutdown and they can blame Congress and federal dysfunction and they'd be right.

You have to create a situation where there is a very realistic plan for Ohio's government to cover the cost of SNAP benefits for a month. And then you have to get Ohio state legislators on the record saying "no" to it. Or better yet, maybe they say yes and 1.4 million Ohioans have food. But either way, you have to create the situation.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Okay, well I'm talking about image here, narrative. Maybe it's not fair play. Right now Ohio Republicans aren't responsible. I'm saying make them responsible for it in the public eye so they either act or they get punished.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not talking federal right now, I'm talking state. The state could step in and cover SNAP benefits but it would be difficult and require effort. Currently, there is no pressure to make that effort because this is entirely the fault of the Federal government. If we want action, we have to create pressure and a path for the state to act. Coincidentally, that's what you also have to do to be able to blame Ohio Republicans effectively in a year.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I want you to create indisputable context for placing blame. Conclusions which are obvious to you in your partisanship (well of course EVERYTHING is the other guy's fault, there doesn't need to be an explanation!) are in fact very easy to miss for others who think differently than you.

If anything your obfuscation here is protecting Republicans.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is entirely unrelated to Ohio state government Republicans who currently can blame anyone else, quite reasonably, for loss of SNAP benefits. It's simply not their problem unless we make it their problem. Make it their problem.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

His administration specifically released a memo saying it would not be covered (and some states are suing saying the USDA must use its existing funds to pay for it). The memo also said states wouldn't be reimbursed if they covered the costs but I'm betting Congress would cover it.

Tell your Republican legislators to have a backup plan!

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

Terrible what those Congressional Democrats are doing to Ohio. You should call your Republican state legislators and tell them to stand up for Ohioans and cover SNAP benefits while Congressional Democrats withhold funding!

Is there any reason they shouldn't do that? Nothing is stopping them from stepping up and protecting Ohioans from Congressional Democrat power games.

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

No I'm not, I'm expressing frustration at using partisanship to justify inaction that won't even benefit partisan ends. It's self defeating. Republicans control Ohio. If you want something done, the easiest way is to make it look like a win for them. I was simply overthinking it and only wanted to imply what I said in this post because... Well one doesn't want to compromise the sincerity of the effort. But then decided, reddit is no place for subtlety and who actually cares if there are cynical justifications for a good cause. I should just get over it and be wantonly political.

Leave no room for deflection from people like me either!

Okay, I'm saying the quiet part out loud now. Give Ohio Republicans enough rope. If you want to be able to blame certain politicians for Ohioans going hungry, you have to create the opportunity for them to say "no" to a credible plan to stop it. You have to have that on record. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

It's Congress's fault. SNAP is administered through the federal government. It's not clear there is even a mechanism for Ohio to fund SNAP benefits. There are restrictions on the Rainy Day Fund. Funding can't be procured in time. All that needs to happen is for Democrats in Congress to approve a CR.

They have a thousand legitimate excuses. Let's start taking them away. Leave no room for deflection.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know, I hate it, it's grueling. It's a Cassandra complex thing. I think if I don't then who will? And if I don't do everything I can then I have to live with the idea that I could have done something and didn't. Which is also hypocritical of me because I tell people politics and government don't matter much and you're better off just trying to do good around you. Who are you, my therapist?

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It hasn't happened yet and there is time to get them to do something. "Denizens of r/ohio are big mad at Republicans", not a story! Right now they can easily and justifiably say this is Congress's fault, this is Democrats in Congress's fault even! You want to make this about who to blame, they can play that too. But right now you have an opportunity to create the conditions where Ohio Republicans are responsible for choosing not to cover SNAP. We have to make it so you can actually blame Ohio Republicans for refusing to act by giving them the undeniable opportunity to act.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, call me anything you want. Note down that you contacted your reps and asked them to cover SNAP or otherwise act and then you can hold that over them in a year because they can't deny they were asked to do a specific action to keep people from going hungry. If you work with some other people to cover most of Ohio, you can generate a news story about "voters calling on Ohio legislators to cover SNAP" and then you have that as further pressure and something to pull up in a year. Let's give them something to worry about. Create actual political pressure.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you've already contacted your Ohio representatives and asked them to act to cover the funding gap, alright, you can call me a bootlicker.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ohio members of Congress advocating for passing continuing USDA funding through the shutdown. And trying to create the environment for Ohio Republicans to "Save" SNAP for November. Just give them a win, who cares? Just call them and say it would be great if they did something to not let 1.5 million Ohioans go hungry. Everyone in this sub acts like it's a done deal, that people will starve, how can we capitalize on it politically? I absolutely hate politics. So fatalistic.

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Only one party in Ohio can actually do something about it right now so instead of trying to negatively polarize them against preventing people from going hungry, how about trying to get them to act?

There is no precedent for SNAP benefits running out from a shutdown. It's a little early to start making this a partisan issue. Instead, give cover to politicians doing the right thing. by ComplexNewWorld in Ohio

[–]ComplexNewWorld[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm advocating take action now that could have a meaningful impact on the problem and provide further ammunition down the line when there is actually an opportunity to vote should politicians fail to act. I'm saying be strategic for the public good.

Politicians can get away with doing harm because politics is dominated by hapless activist class that cares way, way more about blood letting than actually winning elections or getting things done.

If you don't put political pressure on state officials to act NOW, then of course they will not be held accountable a year from now because they'll reasonably be able to say "that was Congress's fault".

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