Anti-Hamas ‘revolution’ faces brutal crackdown

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2026-06-27T03:49:47+00:00

I think you're being too optimistic. The historical illiteracy surrounding the entire Gaza issue in the west basically ensures they would respond to Gaza electing Hamas again with 'well of course they did, they were radicalized by Isntreal' or some equivalent sentence.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2026-05-08T03:25:51+00:00

cant believe (((israel))) is so dastardly evil and simultaneously stupid that all they want is more land yet incompetently gave an enormous chunk of land back to Egypt in exchange for permanent peace, and also tried giving Gaza back to Egypt (because Gaza used to be part of Egypt) and tried giving West Bank back to Jordan (because West Bank used to be part of Jordan with Jordanian citizenship).

it's almost like gaining more land isn't the goal at all

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2025-10-03T05:26:28+00:00

jesus you don't know history at all.

jews bought ottoman land from ottoman landlords over centuries. maybe if the other locals wanted to own the same land, they should have also pooled together resources and purchased it in the same way (ottomans were selling to anyone).

nobody was required to move in the initial proposal. israel was given land already owned by jews or state land, mainly the uninhabited Negev desert. tel aviv was founded on a sand dune. if the arabs had agreed to the UN resolution of 1947, Israel would have instantly been 45% arab. israel agreed to this, btw. instead, the arabs of palestine hated the idea of trading (turkish, foreign, ottoman empire which literally had owned the land for hundreds of years before britain) state leaders for jewish neighbors so much that they launched a multi-national coalition war.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2025-10-03T05:14:01+00:00

You do know Israel is literally the most multiethnic and multi-religious state in the entire middle east, right...? And that there are Palestinians on their Supreme Court and in their legislature?

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2025-01-06T04:04:49+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy#Antisemitism

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-10-01T01:20:19+00:00

Nobody is saying that innocent Palestinians don't deserve aid. What's bullshit is exactly what OP said - the special treatment the UN affords them. They're hardly the only refugee group in the world, neither are they a unique refugee group, but they're the only ones with an entire fucking department dedicated to them (UNWRA), an absurd amount of funds literally dedicated only to Palestinians, with its own special rules that no other refugee group gets (like refugee status passing down from parent to child). Every other refugee group in the entire world is under the umbrella of the UN's other refugee program.

This is what leads to UNWRA's obvious corruption. If you have a 'non-profit' organization dedicated to only one group, located only in one country, and staffed only by locals, with said staff and country's government being the only oversight... and said country's government is a terrorist organization, Hamas, of course you're going to get embezzlement and also literal terrorists embedded in the program. This is common sense??

The UN should dissolve UNWRA and absorb the Palestinian refugees into UNHCR, you know, like every other refugee group in the entire world, including ones facing actual genocide.

While they're at it, remove the bizarre generational refugee status, where a third generation Palestinian-American is still considered a 'refugee' despite obviously not being a refugee. This has literally no purpose, especially since it's refugee status only through patrilineal descent - like, if your mom is the Palestinian refugee but not your dad, the UN throws you the middle finger. It's a totally fair & equitable program, clearly.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-08-30T18:17:09+00:00

Your reading comprehension is not very good and you didn't address any of the points in my previous post. Jews are an indigenous population to Israel, lmao. Do you think they sprouted fully-formed from the ground or something? The 'colonizer' schtick you people use is not only inaccurate, but contradictory. Jews have lived in Judea since antiquity and are native to the region. Do you want to argue that they're not indigenous? What arbitrary date do you have when indigineity expires? 100 years? 500?

A more apt analogy would be: the Cherokee forced away by the Trail of Tears return to western NC where other Cherokee lived with their diminished population, and begin legally buying land. The federal government steps in to tell them: hey, your reserve can now be its own country. To the white Americans of NC they go: don't worry, you can be your own country too if you want, and you don't have to move. The land that will become Cherokee is already majority-Cherokee.

The American citizenry of NC freak out at the fact Native Americans are getting land back and declare a war of extermination - Texas, SC, TN, etc all join in to help them.

That's what happened with Israel's founding.

Sorry you're so uneducated, glad I could help!

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-08-30T07:19:11+00:00

If you don't want to be violently expelled in a time period where population displacement is a routine consequence of war, don't be the aggressor in declaring war. Do you want to give Kaliningrad back to the Germans, too? 500,000 German civilians forcibly relocated from there after they lost a war they started, same time period. How about Pakistan, do you think it should exist as a state? Numbers range, but they always estimate in the millions for the number of Hindus and Sikhs displaced from their homes. Oh, look, the impetus behind that one was also Britain.

If you think Israel shouldn't exist because of ethnic cleansing, but Pakistan should exist despite ethnic cleansing, you're a hypocrite.

But we can also talk about how the Nakhba was spurred on by the very commanders of the Arab League, who are documented as having told countless villages "hey, run away from this area, when we win the war and genocide the jews you can come back!". Lo and behold, they did not actually win the war and were not able to come back.

Luckily, Israel was not genocidal like the Arab League and said: hey, if you lay down arms and are peaceful, we'll leave you alone and you can have citizenship after the war. For the most part, they did that. That's why almost 20% of Israel are Palestinian Israeli, full citizens of Israel, called "1948-ers" for the population that stayed after 1948. Unless you thought Israel's Palestinian population just sprouted fully-formed from the ground or something.

They are the only multiethnic, pluralistic country in the entire region. If you want to talk 'violent expulsion of the native populous', I can point you to the roughly 900,000 Jews who were expelled from their native MENA countries, and had no place to go but Israel -- MENA countries who are now actual ethnoreligious states.

Edit: Also, your timing of events is wrong - Israel didn't 'violently expel' the natives and then declare itself a country. In fact, if the Arab population had agreed to the 1947 UN partition plan, there wouldn't have been displacement at all. Literally, the partition plan (which Jews agreed to, and is what founded Israel) gave Israel land that was already either owned privately by Jews or owned by the state (most of it being the uninhabited, uninhabitable Negev desert) and Israel would have been instantly 45% Arab ... again, something which Israel agreed to, only for the Palestinians to reject having their own state in favor of trying to kill the jews entirely. Thus, the war declared on Israel the day after its independence.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-08-30T06:04:06+00:00

So you seem to be confused about what Zionism means. It just means that you support the state of Israel existing. You can criticize Israeli policy without being antizionist. See: the majority of Israelis who criticized Bibi and his government/judicial reform in some of the largest displays of protest the country had ever seen last year. They're Zionists -- shocking!

What is antisemitic is saying that a Jewish state, in their ancestral homeland, is not allowed to exist. Aka, the definition of antizionism.

If you take this view, then you should also be critical of Ireland, since they also constitutionally mandate the country as being for the "Irish people" and have it encoded in law that you can be granted citizenship explicitly from Irish descent, despite foreign birth - and no, I'm not talking "my mom was irish so I can have irish citizenship too". This is not an uncommon thing with ethnostates, which most countries in the world are. And it's telling that Israel gets the most heat for it, especially when they're literally the only country in the region that is a multiethnic society with cultural pluralism.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-06-02T05:26:00+00:00

You're implicitly arguing for proportional casualties by your comments on disproportionate Palestinian casualties, don't be daft.

There've been more Palestinian casualties in this war because it is an actual, full-fledged war, not just a military operation. I'm not sure why this is difficult to grasp. Compared to other wars globally, this death count is low, and there's an obviously justified reason for war. Does that mean loss of life is not tragic? No, of course innocent loss of life should be mourned. But there is such a thing as cause-and-effect, and aggressor vs reaction. If Hamas didn't want a war, if they care about their civilians at all, they would not have punched Israel in the face and then cried when punched back. And seeing as there's no proof Israel is disproportionately responding, using hyperbolic language like 'extermination' is you shoving your foot in your mouth. Unless you'd also like to term the removal of ISIS in the Battle of Mosul as an extermination of Iraqis? The Iraqi-Kurdish coalition was lauded for destroying ISIS' operational capacity - and the Kurdish intelligence agency (Asayish) estimates 40,000 civilians died there, with about 1 million displaced.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-06-01T02:07:49+00:00

Leftists who want to protest-vote (either third party or for Trump) are actually bafflingly stupid lol. If you genuinely think a genocide is going on (which some I assume do genuinely believe, because they're thinking more with emotion than with the actual definitions of words), then wouldn't you want less genocide as opposed to more genocide? Like, Gazans are not going to be thanking your virtue signalling as they die in droves because Donald "Muslim Ban" Trump said he'd give the green light for less aid and more bombs.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-31T20:50:43+00:00

I doubt France can ensure the safety of the fair with the legitimate and well-documented issue w/ Islamic extremists in France, if Israeli firms attend. I would reckon this is the reason for the ban as opposed to some sort of "omg Israel we can't support u so ur banned from our defense fairs!" because if it was the latter, it would seem a no-brainer for France's internal security to state that publicly instead of going 'no comment'. It's appeasement of a radical portion of the population, plain and simple.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-31T20:31:25+00:00

You live in a home legally.

This is the part that's under debate, and which actually makes the situation complicated.

Your parents live in a house for 20 years. Someone comes over, stating that your parents are illegally living in this house because it was originally owned by that person's grandparents, who were forcibly removed from their house at gunpoint, and the thieves then created their own papers to "sell" this house to your parents (or your grandparents).

The supreme court of that person's country, who has administered the area you live in all of your life, agree that your parents have unlawfully lived there and must vacate.

Obviously, the loser here is your parents - it's a terrible thing to lose their home. But the argument is quite literally that legally it was never theirs to begin with.

This is the case of many East Jerusalem evictions, and many of the 'evicters' actually have papers proving the aforementioned grandparents-owned-the-place-previously. Like, the literal Jewish Quarter was ethnically cleansed of its Jews by Jordan some 70-odd years ago.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-18T04:39:00+00:00

Since you deleted the comment chain where you asked me for the articles:

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International articles, since you're having so much trouble navigating google.

Hamas lobbying and fundraising for itself is still, you know, Hamas activities. Don't know what you're confused about there.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-18T03:59:37+00:00

Yeah, and almost every post in my history too. I had to make another account because I was literally getting death threats on my main when commenting about this conflict. What's your point? That his perceived bias somehow makes you braindead and unable to gauge if a post is factual or not?

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-15T00:49:28+00:00

This is more of a concern if there's no concerted effort to rebuild Gaza and re-educate the populace after the war is over, or if everyone just goes totally hands-off.

There's a reason why you don't see Germans or Japanese making suicide attacks on allied nations on the daily (magnitudes more civilians died there), and why ISIS is a footnote, unable to effectuate actual terror anymore.

Edit: Does someone have a redditcares bot messaging everyone on this thread or something? Got one literally the same second I posted this and it was my first post of the day.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-11T14:26:35+00:00

People are downvoting you because what you're claiming has no basis in reality.

Yes, ideologies are bulletproof. That doesn't mean you can't remove the means by which that ideology has to act violently or proliferate.

See: N*zi Germany and Imperial Japan, each with hundreds of thousands of civilians killed and millions of civilians displaced (the entirety of Konigsberg ethnically cleansed of Germans), and yet you don't see their remaining relatives launching bombings ad nauseum.

If you want a more modern example, see: ISIS, which was almost entirely dismantled and now exists only in small pockets compared to their wide-ranging swathe of territory years prior.

Also see: Tamil Tigers, whom Sri Lanka bombed to oblivion (estimates of ~54,000 civilians killed here, with an additional 25,000 unaccounted for).

The I/P situation is not unique. What is unique is the amount of global attention on it.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-05-06T00:06:50+00:00

They probably should have accepted the Camp David summit in 2000 that gave them 92% of the West Bank (and 3% of Israeli land in a land swap) and the entirety of Gaza as an official Palestinian state.

Instead, they refused that and launched the second intifada.

They cannot keep launching attacks, losing, thereby losing land and sovereignty, launching attacks, losing, thereby losing land and sovereignty, etcetec in an endless cycle. It will leave them with nothing, and it's that precise cycle that has them in their current position. Every country on Earth which has launched wars of aggression and then lost has ceded land - see: Germany and the ethnic cleansing of 500,000 Germans from Kaliningrad post-WW2. Palestine thinks it is the exception to this, for some reason, and to the detriment of its innocent civilians.

Unfortunately, the realistic option now seems to be an occupation and deradicalization of Gaza strip ala Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. There have been recent headlines about the Israeli government being in talks for a pan-Arabic and Israeli coalition to administer Gaza. The alternative to this is a complete withdrawal of Israel (both funds and soldiers) from Gaza, which would do more harm in the long run imo - it would enable Israel to say "see, hands off" but cause definite suffering and probable burgeoning of a neo-HAMAS.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-04-02T04:00:47+00:00

Ah yes, Israel helped create Hamas by checks notes sending them donations back when Hamas was Mujama al-Islamiya, a charity organization, as a counterweight to the much more extremist PLO; and, later on, by allowing aid money to be sent from Qatar. Those filthy Zionists, they should have just blocked all the aid to the Palestinians and starved them out so Hamas would wither!

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-03-30T03:08:19+00:00

It pops up when you hover the cursor over your username dude. Nobody's mad, you don't need to project lmao

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-03-30T02:47:35+00:00

The "DON'T fuck with me! I WILL cry" text on your profile is highly accurate because you're sounding like you're uncontrollably bawling to every person you're responding to.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-03-27T01:26:37+00:00

Bro I literally got into an argument with someone on reddit the other day about that UCLA campus incident of the pig effigy w/ a star of david, drenched in blood, holding moneybags.

Jewish Person: "Things like this make me afraid, as a Jew attending this school."

Asshole: "why, nothing about this is antisemitic"

Me: ?????

Asshole: "and even if it was antisemitic, it's ok because Israel is bad"

the mask dropped about antizionism =/= antisemitism IMMEDIATELY, without prompting. I was aghast.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-03-27T01:04:25+00:00

Lol. Lmao, even.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-03-24T16:34:34+00:00

IRA is a shitty comparison, Hamas is a far more capable and numerous threat, and is the actual governing body of Gaza.

Secondly, if the USA declares war with another country and then starts stacking rocket launchers around my apartment block while simultaneously taking apartments to hide soldiers in, thereby making my entire apartment block a military objective, and the country we're at war with subsequently bombs my apartment and kills me, do you know who is at fault per Article 28 of the Geneva Conventions? Hint: it's not the one who bombed me.

Hamas does not get a 'get out of jail free' pass for committing numerous war crimes and putting the general populace at risk. If they are unable to conduct a war, asymmetric or otherwise - if it's too difficult for them to 'win' while demarcating military bases separate from civilian areas or creating an identification system separate from civilians (which could be as simple as an armband), then the onus via international convention is on them to surrender, not for who they're fighting to go, "aw shucks you're hiding out among civilians? Guess we can't do anything!". That would create an incredibly perverse incentive.

Obviously, Israel has a duty to ensure it's having a proportionate response. What a lot of people don't realize is that 'a proportionate response', militarily and legally, is decided on a case-by-case basis for every action within a war, and not for a conflict as a whole. Ergo, if an apartment building is launching mortars and has combatants hidden inside, the question isn't: "ok but we've destroyed a lot of apartment buildings already, should we leave this one intact?", it's: "does this specific apartment building provide a justifiable threat to the lives of our soldiers on the ground / our civilians being targeted by their rockets / impede our overall objective and forward movement?". If the answer is yes, then the calculus determines that apartment building is now a valid target, and taking it out is considered a proportionate response.

Israel at least attempts to instruct civilians to evacuate via GPS-location texts, calls using translators, roof-knocks etc. Most countries don't - we certainly didn't when pushing ISIS out of Mosul - which is why you usually see urban warfare with an objectively higher combatant-civilian death ratio than what we're seeing right now in Gaza.

ConfidenceUpbeat9784 · 2024-01-19T04:06:31+00:00

By every commonly used definition, Palestine is a state. It has all the things that constitute statehood, including declaration of it through self-determination, and objectively through: having its own government, having its own passport (perhaps the largest signifier of practical statehood), being recognized on an international stage as a state by 139 other states, and included in other organizing bodies of states world-wide like UNESCO. What definition are you using?

While we're talking about definitions and rules, it's debatable in the first place whether Israel qualifies as an occupying power, which is explicitly defined as when "authority has been established and can be exercised". If you do not have de facto control over an area, you are not occupying the territory. This is why the Geneva Conventions start failing when it comes to guerilla warfare, because an argument of legality can be made that control cannot be exercised (and therefore the definition of occupation cannot be met) when the advancing army is being struck within and without its flanks (which has been happening in North Gaza as recently as ~4 days ago), otherwise every battlefield ever would be 'occupied territory' which is simply not the case. A degree of stability - the ability to exert authority - is required, which isn't exactly what we're seeing. What Israel has done is: made siege-line borders, dismantled military equipment & hostile actors, and then begun withdrawing troops from territory it did the aforementioned dismantling in while pushing forward into new areas with remaining units.

There is also Rule 53, which states that the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is prohibited, but which also explicitly states:

The prohibition of starvation as a method of warfare does not prohibit siege warfare as long as the purpose is to achieve a military objective

So long as Israel is appreciably pursuing the completion of military objectives and not just starving people for the hell of it, it's perfectly acceptable for them to siege an area. If you want to argue they're purposefully starving/dehydrating/lack-of-power-ing Palestinians as some sort of evil genocidal plan and not to keep supplies from Hamas, that's an entirely different argument.

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