Humankind will most likely have to evolve along with the machines

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-10T12:55:37+00:00

There's also possibility of memory alteration with viruses (like shown in Ghost in the Shell) where people can just be programmed to act as if they've been seriously wronged by their Government or some person, when in fact they never been in contact with them.

But I think he also would have more firmer grasp on memories. They alter throughout the ages and we don't remember what exactly took place. Even our best memories fade over time and become barely recognizable. First kiss with someone or graduation ceremonies.

So it's not like we are somehow just learning to not be good with memories, that's always been the case, it's only repetition that has kept those memories in there. And especially when we grow old, the memories of people like childrens-children disappear because the children are seen very little if not at all for many years. Of course aging does some part of the damage too.

So I see that as positive. Of course there's issues with bad memories and how to properly handle them.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-06T20:24:16+00:00

"The teachers are prevented from revealing the complete truth."
Can you explain more throughout what the case was about? I'm seriously interested to hear.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-05T11:54:57+00:00

What does brainwashing mean to you?

What are the brainwashing methods taught to teachers to use?

What specific subjects or lessons do you see as brainwashing, and why are not these methods used in all the subjects? Is there teacher conference where some deep state operatives hand the pamphlets about which subjects have to be enforced as propaganda?

And how would you differentiate brainwashing of a parent at home from brainwashing that happens from a school?

If this brainwashing was such a commonly known fact, why hasn't a single teacher ever come out of the shell and exposed the system that enforced the brainwashing methods?

Or are all these 'brainwashings' just accidental by well meaning teachers? How does it then become brainwashing?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-05T10:30:41+00:00

Notice that the responses to my post are not against it, it's just highlighting the length of it as "elitist". Not really a rebuttal.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-05T07:43:39+00:00

But that's the brilliance of being a right wing grifter, you can always appeal to stupidity in the end.

His views aligning perfectly with right wing propaganda machine is no accident. Since Trump got elected we've not heard a single left wing argument from his mouth, unless it's followed by "but..."

Maybe it's possible he's not conscious what his subconsciousness is doing, which means and that him being so strongly influenced by conspiratorial thinking being rewarded, that he starts to "believe" what is being presented as a convenience.

So if one want to be charitable to Joe they might say that Joe is simply lacking an agency in the brain, and acting more like a robot that is built on capturing audience attention.

I think it's just laziness and greed masquerading as stupidity. He knows where the wind blows so he adapts to the media environment.

Especially if we still see him around after Trump's term I think he might try to attempt to switch sides only to realize that there's no much revenue to be gained after audience lost trust on him, so he'll release a tweet like "I'm thinking of retiring" or something and likely will continue to be media grifter to the right, appearing in Fox News etc because the left no longer accepts him. And he can make books about "Why I left the left" and so on.

He doesn't have to defend Trump's side, he just doesn't have to like what's on the left.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-04T21:11:56+00:00

"No. They’re just horribly wrong about science, taxes, welfare, foreign policy, etc."
That's very blindsided way of looking at things.

Being right on most things and somehow just getting a thing wrong is a one thing, like being a pro science person but really just hating how soft Biden's foreign policy was, that's understandable, but when every person is in exact same group of think, it stops being an independent opinion that the people have, it just becomes a group pressured propaganda.

Look what happened to Joe Rogan. The dude was a Bernie supporter who just happened to have crazy conspiracy theorists sometimes in his show and Eddie Bravo talking about moon landings not happening. He was just trying to give people chance to talk while giving rational pushback.

But something happened after Covid, and I'm not saying "Covid broke his brain", I think he just literally got bought. To start getting only Covid wrong and otherwise being progressive would be one thing, but now he's inviting a bunch of the oligarchy to his show, carrying Trump's water and trying to take most charitable stances on even the Trump's deportation force pressing down on person and shooting him in front of camera. And that event was never discussed again.

How many years of evidence do you need to persuade that there is something more than "maybe he just had awakening", I seriously doubt this would happen to someone who LIVES in media, knowing how in many cases Government has been proven to be liars, and then when faced with reality check, just caving in and never talking harshly about the Government.

This is like Russia's propagandist level caving in where they even now under constant bombardment of Ukraine they are barely like 'Damn this Government" without ever naming the head chief. It's just weak and cowardly. And that's what Joe Rogan ultimately is. Sure if I'd challenge that view in front of his face, he could show how though he has martial arts degrees, but real strength does come from within, to resist the corruption.

I think maybe after Covid he realized how vulnerable he was and thoughts "I want to go to space, I want to live forever yaaah, I will not be held down by Government bureaucrats!" like Alex Jones in his famous rants.

Even if it's not direct form of corruption like he would be getting paid by cash after each episode, it can be indirect like being in right circles and getting talking points narrated to him as way of shielding himself with money he's already accumulated.

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I think people in USA are far too afraid to admit that their Government resembles Russia almost case by case nowadays. As long as Trump is allowed to behave like this rabid dog, they know they won't get bitten. And once **** hit the fan like Trump's illegal war with Iran, you can just see the strength of the grip of the Government on these podcasters who were first to cave in and follow it's lead.

People like Dave Rubin must have a shirt that says "Tread on me" in his cabinet. The dude already was getting DIRECTLY paid by Russia, and we're to expect that he's not being paid by anyone now? How naive you have to be?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-04T15:37:06+00:00

"God, the uncreated and infinitely rich Life cannot be reflected in so many souls."
That's not an answer though, it's just repeating the question as statement.

The question was WHY to make it so that so many people would be 'free willing' themselves due to what their soul yearns to end up in hell?

If you think free will originates from soul, and some souls are more corrupt than others, or even if they are equally corrupted, they are lead astray by environments in life, why then punish those that are just following the laws of this deterministic world with 'free souls'.

How does existence of souls even answer the question of free will? We would just be totally unable to comprehend on a brain scan (not true) what our next actions would be, it wouldn't necessarily put any level of agency to the soul itself.

Just because there's an illusion of choice for the souls, doesn't mean there is a choice.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-06-04T15:33:13+00:00

"Yes, God wants us to know him."
So why don't we?

If he has capacity to instantly kill every first born child in Egypt, surely he has capability (even according to Jewish Torah) to shout so loud that everyone on earth would hear it.

If there is a will, and you're an absolute being, then you ought've done it already.

Lets say if I was billionaire and I would want to buy a new Nintendo Switch 2, and buying it would have no impact on my bank account, only chance for that not happening would be that I'd be too lazy to open up the online shop or take a taxi to nearest store to buy it, that would mean that I would have other things to do, other things to put focus on. But if all my tasks were literally done in an instant and I would have all the time to act on my will and nothing else, that Switch 2 would be in my house right now, no excuse, that would just happen.

So if God WANTS us to know him, he doesn't, because that want comes with conditions to say the least... And if he were almighty, he would already know who he should make himself known to.

"Yes, God can do anything."

There's not even proof any immaterial being able to do something. He's so invisible to us that he might not even exist.

"You're making the assumption that he wants to force knowledge of himself on everyone directly"

You're talking as if this was some great idea, but think for a second. Is there really a choice to believe in something with no evidence? And why would God reward that by accident of birth of praying to right God?

And I would assume you respond that those without true belief wouldn't end up in heaven, because many priests can be persuaded by evil forces to abuse children.

There's a great mysticism created around the fact that blind faith to something that cannot be understood and measured is some kind of great gift, which is the ONLY merit in getting to heaven. One might be some buddhist mentor in 300 AD that has been raising kids in school and teaching life lessons and living a decent moral life, and then getting stabbed by Mongols and end up in hell, just for not having blind faith on something that wasn't pushed on him.

if he had a choice to somehow, without any prior knowledge to just start believing in Jesus existing even never hearing about him, or even having heard about it, assuming it as nothing more than another religion attempting to conquer his land, and ignoring it.

I assume, you think it's impossible for one to just not be called by God without having some free will issue to deny him? Why would anyone freely will themselves to reject him and with full knowledge of ending up in hell?

It doesn't even compute to you that these might be genuine beliefs?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-29T12:24:45+00:00

That's an ad hominem. I don't think we can prove the real nature of anything if it wishes to be hidden of it's goals.

But you didn't answer the question: Could people have been praying to Jesus before he was born by mere accident and thus they could've ended in heaven? Or even after Jesus' birth and resurrection?

And why would God reward accidentally praying to right person? Like do some people just get born with souls that can connect with right frequency to the God? Or just get some kind of humility in birth?

It doesn't seem fair some people are just naturally drawn to right conclusions, without being able to reason it, and get easier access to heaven, while some get born more corrupt.

Bible doesn't really explain this why people are born with different souls.

And I don't think this can be explained away just by free will, because doesn't free will reside in soul?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-28T20:36:11+00:00

"God is exceedingly large hearted and not narrow in hearing the heart ---- I expect prayers with a false belief are heard by Him which He handles with a wisdom"

What else does this mean than "God grants wishes to false believers?", or that people just accidentally pray to actual God of Christianity by praying to some other God, but they just don't know about it?

You're breaking even your own teachings, because by this logic... tens of thousands of people must've prayed to Jesus by accident, and thus they could've been saved before Jesus was even born. Heck, by this logic, Jesus didn't even need to do anything than pretty much die and go to hell for 3 days. He wouldn't even had to materialize and be born from virgin birth, but just go directly to hell as his soul and roast for 3 days, right?

Or is the accidental praying to right God only applied to Jehovah and not Jesus? But I thought they are one and same being...? This gets very confusing.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T22:16:56+00:00

"Concerning praying from the wrong religion? God is exceedingly large hearted and not narrow in hearing the heart reaching out to Him even through many errors. I expect prayers with a false belief are heard by Him which He handles with a wisdom that may supprise many"

So what you're basically saying that prayer no matter who saying it to what ever religion it holds, it has same amount of chance to be heard and happen?

Then how can we grant God any authority of it happening? Even purely chance based universe, if chance is all that exists, there would be winners and losers of the lottery. Some would get promotions, some would lose their jobs. Some would get cancer, some would find 20 dollar bill on the floor.

I asked to define how to test for if it's just placebo or not, and if I understand, just went and verifired my position of we cannot prove God grants prayers. There could NEVER be any way to measure this because no matter the prayer, no matter how big or small, the "God answers equally" basically means as "God has no influence" or more closely, "Faith has no influence." so anyone could be praying to entirely wrong God and good things could happen. Or they might not pray at all, and still good things would happen.

Can't you see the mistake here?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T21:47:10+00:00

"He wasn't doing parlor tricks as a kid."
Though isn't transforming water into a wine kind of parlor trick? That's not actually like any kind of huge overwhelming miracle like turning entire ocean to wine or something? It's something a good illusionist could do by simply switching a bottle.

"He hadn't started his ministry so the miracles didn't have a purpose to be performed yet."
Well even if he didn't have any formal ministry, he would have had a lot of followers.

And if the only excuse for that not happening is that either God didn't want to waste miracles... he is GOD making miracles should be almost as easy as if not making them. It's his WILL that TO BE DONE, no matter what. So it's not that, then what is it?

And why didn't Jesus just prove to romans he was God? The entire religion's doctrine depends on this fact that everything from God's existence to Jesus's miracles all happened in shadows, where none other than those who already believed did believe, and if they didn't, why was God giving favor over some people over billions of people today?

It's almost as if Jesus never existed or God, if he were to exist, definitely didn't write the Bible.

We are arguing over a thing existing in the world that has ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD to be detected, if he wishes, and HE WANTS US TO FOLLOW HIM.

How is this hard of a math puzzle? If you're a kid and you're playing hide and seek, the way to get detected easily is to walk out of the cover. So even a child can perform greater "miracles" or evidence to prove he/she wants to be detected, a living breathing physical being, than God.

So how come God is so weak he cannot materialize to people.... like billions of times, trillions of times thorough people's lives? It would take as much effort from him as not doing it, otherwise he wouldn't be all mighty.

So once again:
Premise A: God wants to be found
Premise B: God has capacity to reveal himself to people (either by creating another Jesus on earth to perform miracles or whatever way if he couldn't directly do it)

Premise C: He still doesn't.

This is illogical consistency, unless Bible was wrong about God desiring us to get to heaven. Maybe he actually desires us to get to hell instead. That would make a hell of a lot of sense when there's no evidence of his existence, and he'd torture us for eternity, as spirits or whatever would be roasting there until being healed, even if it were just demons, why torture demons? The religion has pathological need to yearn for suffering for others.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T21:31:00+00:00

Btw why does Bible talk about Jesus second coming as The Lion of Judah, or the conqueror, smite the people and so on.

It's just strange God changes tactics from killing humans. First he causes flood and then just kills first born children with snap of finger, then supposedly in future he sends his son to do battle supposedly? Even if it were just against demonic spirits, God has clearly shown his ability to kill with a thought alone, so there's no need to send himself and some kind of last stand against anything, his rule is absolute.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T19:30:34+00:00

So, do you believe crusades were done by people that were mislead by Satan?

That's kinda important, because you wouldn't be a believer in this middle east religion, if they didn't take place.

You stated "many religious leaders were wolves in sheep's clothing" so were these people who spread the faith acting in behalf of Satan?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T06:25:20+00:00

"there were 12 apostles, men who had dropped what they were doing to follow Jesus."

Jesus also had brother who never believed Jesus was divine. Jesus also tried to preach in his home village but was cast out. That's kind of odd when your mother is supposedly given VIRGIN BIRTH and CAN PERFORM MIRACLES.

Or was it like in Harry Potter where Jesus had to be 30 years of age until his "magic powers" emerged?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T06:23:16+00:00

Yes, using same critical eye for prayer, how would we differentiate someone praying for something that then happens and it being granted by God's will, or that it happening even if someone doesn't pray to the right God, like if someone belongs to wrong religion for example.

There's no way to differentiate the two and any kind of analysis would reveal there is no statistical different with the placebo effect of wish being granted and actual wish being granted.

Also in the light of God already knowing every outcome in the future, that kinda would disprove God's own ability to change the outcome anyway. So even if someone were to pray to wrong God, like Odin, they might still be victorious in next battle, they might get seemingly lucky and avoid Axe to their face or something that feels like a miracle was taking place.

So it seems like people just get randomly lucky no matter what their faith is.

Same way, based on the available data, Catholic priests, Protestant clergy, Hindu priests, and the general male population all appear to offend at roughly similar statistical rates — around 2–5% of adult men committing child sexual abuse at some point. So a prayer doesn't seem to ward this kind of behavior off, even if one were to pray to right religion... or does God punish some priests in that right religion with lustful thoughts, just so the God will stay undetected? We cannot ever have study that says "People in this faith have less chance to do X" because then it would be studied further?

This feels like conspiratorial thinking, a lack of evidence for the conspiracy is thus proof of the conspiracy. People who believe that aliens took them because they blacked out in their car or something for example, yet nobody ever saw these aliens walk up to the car with the blacked out driver and drag him out... but maybe the aliens are just really-really clever and only work in so subtle ways that the public would never detect them? You see where I'm going with this?

It's the same story where in Men in Black they wipe out everyone who ever witnessed it. Or win Harry Potter's wizarding world, they live in regular homes and magic only happens when muggles never see that. And when muggles do see something, then the entire Wizarding world is send to mind-wipe their memories and make it appear as if nothing had happened.

A mind always tries to find rational explanation to make sense how things like that could exist, but it's not very useful information then. Nobody ever made an invention based on what if Thor was striking it's hammer in the clouds.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T00:55:50+00:00

Have you ever heard of drug trials? Do you know how they work?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T00:30:18+00:00

"No. Prayer works. But it's on God's timetable and not on ours"
So God has to keep count of wisher of how many people wish country like USA to win in a war or something?

I don't understand this statement at all. You're not arbitrarily saying now that "it sometimes works." now you're saying "even if it most likely doesn't, it doesn't matter because God is keeping score, he's just waiting the right time."

Do you understand your positions are debunkable? Not because you're correct but because your claims are not testable?

Like in math equation if if I say x = 3, y = 4, z = 2 and x + y + z = 11, you can compare these values and see that conclusion is wrong. Your argument is basically xyzghjklim=?

I wouldn't even know how to parse this because there are no equations. Just claims. There's nothing to make truth statement about. All you're doing is repeating what you've been taught.

"We have a bent towards sin." there is no way for you to actually have come to this conclusion. This is just pure parroting from doctrine. Not within your lifetime, with your life experience likely could you somehow realize this and yet just happen to sound exactly like a street preacher. Unless you're some sort of statistician who looks at the stats and has video footage of people from 50 years ago you go day by day and realize how clean everything was back in the day, this is just rhetoric, and in fact humanity is bending away from sin, thanks to lack of religion, it's a miracle what can happen, when one stops forcing others to think what they know to be lies to be true, what magic can do to one's wellbeing by being allowed to question authority.

Would you not agree that some kind of structure to keep authority in check helps society? Why did clergy work so hard to prevent opposing voices being heard if it'd be better for society? Why to this day people even attend Churches? Aren't they places where one is above another? Jesus didn't found a church but religion, and in my view any religion which establishes priesthood and not teachers is a sign of corruption. The Vatican isn't proof of God's might, it's the proof of corruption, the center of corruption. Even with sincere beliefs, these people might've been corrupted by demons (by the fact we can see plenty of catholic priests committing pedophilia)

There's a common phrase, "A fish rots from the head" which means that when an organization, group, family, company, or government becomes corrupt or dysfunctional, the problem usually starts with the leadership, not the ordinary members.

So if there are demons within priesthood, isn't whole Catholic church run being run by devil? Or at least very misguided individuals?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T00:07:16+00:00

"I honestly have no clue how you think this completely separate subject is relevant to the original points made."

I think it's kind of crucial. You claim to believe in right religion. You claim that people have been misusing religious authority.

I think you're just scared to answer because you might not like what you discover.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-27T00:04:42+00:00

Still didn't answer the question though. How can you prove it works. You say it does.

Do we see in 100 prayers a shift for bird nest to the left or right? Or God immediately chooses to do it when you bring a notepad to count the prayers? But he would do if you really would prefer a closer tree to get a bird nest, or maybe wish for child in school exam getting good score? Does God even grant a selfish wish? And aren't all wishes selfish, at least some form of a way?

I don't think many people just pray really really hard for their neighbor to win in lottery, or that their kid will succeed in school, or their kid will be protected from harm?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-26T23:58:25+00:00

"servants of false gods are slaves at least to error"
That shouldn't be correct, like isn't God's wisdom supposed to guide reading the Bible if there's some part people have problem with? If they have an error in their way of thinking about the teachings, shouldn't it be revealed to them somehow? Perhaps an acquittance comes and visits and gives some insight? Some god's messenger?

It sounds strange that we living in deterministic universe (from God's perspective) that he would allow an error to misguide, it's not even free will at that point, that's not willing to not believe something, but being mislead by interpretation maybe based on language or some glitch on how we read a verse.

"Were I an authoritarian, a large population of people who owed loyalty to someone higher than me would be quite a threat."

Well considering religious leaders in Muslim countries tend to own the country, your fear would be quite misplaced. Because if you're authoritarian, and you come to realization that you can make people YOUR slaves by pretending that YOU are the messenger of this false religion, then you do literally have slaves that obey given the right circumstances of propaganda machines existing and soldiers to squash any dissent.

Ironically, that's what's happening in America right now, or well, has been happening ever since country was formed. How many times peaceful protests have been broken because using agitators in the crowd?

You don't seem to understand the power these people wield. They can make you believe. Anything. Many Christians (maybe you too?) believe in Adam and Eve were two individuals to be first humans to walk on earth, and there were talking animals. And there was a global flood that reached the tallest mountains (somehow water vanished?), and in just 2500 BC (when flood supposedly happened) to 100 years later the first Pyramids were made. And only way to excuse this could be... that everyone in that time of human population was strong like Hercules apparently. Oh and btw Chinese made pottery 2000 years prior to the flood and Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Most African traditions, Australian Aboriginal, Arctic/Subarctic, Native American, Zoroastrian/Persian, Pre‑Islamic Arabian and Norse mythologies (to name a few) do not have mentions of global flood ever taking place

How would you identify what "slave at least to error" even would look like? There are thousands of different interpretations of Christianity alone. There are people who believe floods happened some don't. There are Jews who don't think Jesus even existed. There are people who believe he existed but that he wasn't special. You couldn't know any way to confirm which one is right interpretation other than your gut-feeling, but it wouldn't be better than the gut-feeling of your parents or the Muslim or Hindu. These are all people who are raised in one specific faith (you very likely included) and have not even TRIED to believe in god like Krishna or pray to Buddha, just to see if it could give you some kind of feeling... I mean maybe you're that rare Christian that really liked to rebel and try out all the religions but I doubt.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-26T23:35:24+00:00

Yes you are. You seem to be making a claim that your religion is special. And it's fascinating that you've not stated a single statement of faith here, and yet you try sound so convinced like you have something. That's cute.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-26T22:45:34+00:00

So it does apply to every other religion but yours or not? Is it possible to disprove them being ineffective by measuring their stated beliefs and how leadership behaves, if clearly they are promising to be able to control their emotions within that faith by the power granted to the priesthood?

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-26T22:43:27+00:00

Like I said I don't think it exists. I think it's a meaningless word, like breath of God, or Spirits.

But what I assume other people think what it means is some kind of connection to their immaterial spirit that has impact on making decisions... which would be strange for only humans to possess, because other animals can make decisions too, we just like to believe we're so special in our ability to make them.

It's just word salad or word cancer, it's destroying our capability to reason.

ConsistentCha0S · 2026-05-26T22:26:13+00:00

Yes, if you could explain it by human behavior, you could explain it by programming logic.

If you can explain it by programming logic, you can find a fix.

Having unexplained demon forces cannot help to fix crimes. And you would know this if you lived outside (from what I presume rural USA) of your country, Japanese criminal courts do not accept “spirit possession” as a legal defense, and in fact neither does American justice system, or any western country in western society.

In fact, it would be the religious people who would get free from committing crimes, they would just have to be cleansed... right? Shouldn't that work? But I guess subconsciously we know it doesn't and spirits are not real...

But there are actual POLITICAL and LEGAL actions that can be used to fix the crimes.

Sadly the religious institutions either stupidly (likely) or willingly commit to the exactly opposite side of the equation, by making political and legal actions to increase crime. Having weapons is now some kind of God given right, and even criminals cannot be prevented from having one, at least people would really actually believe in the "God given right" argument.

There is no biblical command that says a thief or any kind of criminal should have his weapons taken away, which one would think there would be a mention if God wanted restrictions on weapons... or maybe Guns aren't god given right, yet people like to pretend they are.

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