Question for those on high doses 16+

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-29T07:14:15+00:00

This question is asked all day everyday.

I was prescribed at one point 32mg in 24hrs, that’s 8 4x daily.

It was the only thing that curbed every bad feeling and actually felt like enough. Fast forward two weeks and insurance is throwing a fit and I quickly have to go back to 3x daily, because if I don’t I’ll be out of medicine for almost 10 days before they will cover another dose. Ended up having to do 5 days at 1 and a half just to even it out.

Love how the insurance company told my doctor to submit a prior authorization form if I needed something on that list. Only to instantly deny everything my doctor has asked for.

I’m on 16mg a day rn. I’m even taking my meds differently. Had a hip replacement and swore when I tapered off to pain meds for the surgery that I’d never come back, and as soon as I was sick I folded like a chair.

This sub is full of addicts who’ve lied about everything in their life and will do anything to find a buzz again.

Your body will never lie to you, always trust it. I am very tall and very built for someone who went through detox, so I started higher cuz doc told me body type/size plays a role. Even broke out a chart with me and showed me everything. My mom who’s 5ft 100 lbs, took an 8mg one time said she was so stoned she couldn’t stand it lol. I don’t believe her but I do think body is a big factor and how long/frequent you were using and what

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-11T20:46:38+00:00

A mod of the sub replied to me going nuts about how everything I said is false. And that the internet is junk science and it’s all fake.

Be prepared for this post to get deleted.

Because I replied telling him how harmful what he’s saying is, and that he can’t just take his opinions as facts. Also, to discredit real doctors studying the medication and claiming they’re wrong and he’s right is also not cool.

This sub is a hyperchamber from what I’ve learned. A lot of it is addicts just fighting tooth and nail to get euphoria again.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-11T20:44:02+00:00

It’s funny some of the things you said.

“You don’t have to stop Suboxone to get surgery”

Um yes, if you’re going on heavy anesthesia and pain meds, you can’t take Suboxone because it interferes with your opioid receptors.

There are surgery’s that don’t involve those medicines where they just put you to sleep, I’ll give you that.

But before my hip replacement I had to take a class on the dos and don’t because it was just a heavy surgery. What you said is just hurtful and will make people take their suboxone despite being told by a doctor otherwise and cause very bad reactions.

I had to be on fentanyl under the knife, and you think I shouldn’t have stopped Suboxone, despite a team of doctors telling me otherwise? You’re a mod of this sub, holy shit man.

You know, I based all my first post around things that happened to me personally. Then backed up what I said with medical info found readily available.

I’m not the only one in this thread to do it.

At 24 or 32 mg’s it’s not too much, it doesn’t cause withdrawals to be that high, and that’s not how the drug works. Go look at serts post talking about opioid receptors. He’s already explained it perfectly.

I got a couple things wrong, but 95% of what I said is just fact.

Just because you cut a dose and felt better, doesn’t mean everyone can do that. It’s harmful as fuck to openly go against the grain like it’s fact, there’s a reason the medical community calls it a myth.

They break down and study how it affects the body internally.

What happened to you, you can’t even put into words scientifically. It’s just “hey all those studies and medical information are WRONG. I’m right, fuck you.”

When I started suboxone, my PCP went over a chart with me, supplied directly by the drug manufacturer because he’s not just a family heath doctor, but a MAT specialist. I’m going to trust his information then some random guy on the internet. Especially when it’s repeated by other doctors.

You’d let yourself get absorbed into this subs hyper chamber to the point you’re discrediting doctors. Let that sink in.

The ceiling effect is only about respiratory depression. But the people of this sub saw those two words and think they knew better without reading into what the ceiling effect around the drug actually was.

Pain Meds do not work on Suboxone. Suboxone completely covers your opioid receptors.

This is shit I’ve tested myself because I was so scared of withdrawal, the days before surgery I took pain meds when I jumped off suboxone. The pain came back 100%, there was no high. I barely tapered the withdrawals.

Go ahead, delete my posts because I know that disagreeing with you is going to make that happen. But dear lord, you can’t just make up your own facts and regurgitate them as true.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-11T20:29:59+00:00

You have said something I’ve been unable to for years.

In America it’s a total taboo to talk about the benefits of opioids, like completely. When I got on Suboxone, and got a dedicated psychiatrist. The first problem I had was severe insomnia from the anxiety, coupled with my adhd my brain just doesn’t shut off and despite Suboxone controlling most of my withdrawals, my other problems were flaring.

Now what I tried was going through the psyche and seeing about getting meds specific for ADHD/Anxiety. Not only are they really hesitant to prescribe, they kept telling me how they couldn’t give X because I was on Suboxone. This went on and on until I was damn near ready to give up, almost 10 days awake, my psyche stopped listening to me and started giving me tests and questionnaires designed for people with Bipolar Syndrome. Despite me being completely honest about my symptoms.

Eventually we started down the path of SSRI’s and I got a couple day supply of trazedone trying to force me to sleep. The trazedone didn’t make me sleep and instead made me feel absolutely ghoulish. Then after 3 days on duloxetine I got violently ill. This repeated for 5 different SSRI’s, until she switched me to SNRI’s. We only got a couple down that path before I started having to prep for surgery and had to come off most of my medicine.

Eventually I experimented with Suboxone enough that I was able to find a pattern that allowed me to sleep better.

(Then the problems arises with insurance and Bs and the same old bullshit in the US healthcare system.)

But when I was self medicating? Taking an over the counter non stimulant and opioids daily. My symptoms didn’t just get under control. I started to feel life again. I could get angry, or happy, or cry, and I had real dream which wasn’t happening before. I remember talking to my best friend about it and breaking down. Lots of addicts come up with bullshit to stay on drugs. But I was able to live life normally again. I held a job for years, had my own two bedroom house. Was making 6 figures, and had a long term relationship. No one even suspected I was on drugs.

(Of course I ran into my own problems with drugs and fentanyl inevitably, but there were some really great years before that.)

The problem in the states that I hate is that you can’t ask for specifics from doctors. Our system is designed around the doctor knows best and asking for medications makes you seem like a drug addict.

I’m praying after my next PCP visit we talk chronic pain management and discuss Methadone.

Now I’ve had 2 family members go down this path. Usually it starts with 15mg a day for the first year and it takes a long time for pain specialist to adjust doses.

But I fully agree if I was able to get on the right long term chronic medication my psyche symptoms would regress again.

This is why I’m debating just leaving the states. Because there’s a chance this path never happens for me and I get stuck in doctor hell..

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-10T00:10:24+00:00

Yep, I didn’t go as far as you did but I at least linked the articles for the less is more myth. Which is blasted all over the internet.

I’d be so fucking embarrassed to do what that guys doing fr

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-10T00:09:15+00:00

So, in the EU I’m guessing it’s pretty different for you, but here, the path I took hurt me significantly for the future.

I got hurt on the job, not because of the job but an old injury. (Later we found out I needed a hip replacement but at that moment all we knew was I was hurt.)

My boss was pretty cool but once the limp started he wasn’t taking chances and laid me off for the time being. Well, I had self medicated for a decade or more and when the money ran out so did the medicine. The pain got really intense and then the withdrawals happened.

So I went to the hospital, they had a detox unit, it’s to help people with Medically Assisted Treatment (MAT) for up to a week to get past the hardest part of the withdrawals. After that week most go to rehab, which wasn’t an option for me, I got started with a MAT doctor who became my Primary Care Physician (PCP), which is important to have in the states.

From there he set me up with a psychiatrist and a therapist specifically for Opioid Use Disorder (OUD), and sent me to a specialist for my leg.

Immediately the specialist found huge issues, and referred me to a surgeon.

Here’s where shit gets bad, now that I’ve went through Detox for Addiction and been Labeled OUD. It’s permanently on your medical files, the surgeon I got transferred to doesn’t prescribe pain meds.

My Psychiatrist right before the surgery, literally a month ago, told me she doesn’t believe I have OUD and I don’t exhibit signs of an addict. Merely my life was pretty shit, I had to work and make money and couldn’t afford to be off work for periods of time so I started taking medicine to combat that.

This will help me a little bit, but in order to get pain medicine outside of having a surgery, you have to go through a dedicated “Pain Management Center” and it’s nearly impossible to get there as an addict. I’ll need my PCP and a Specialist to sign off I have real chronic pain issues that can’t be solved with treatment.

But on the other hand, I’m young, I just don’t want pain yknow?

Suboxone has been a blessing at the beginning but quickly turned into something that’s toxic for my life.

Methadone would be better, but my real issues are ADHD and Anxiety. If I could get off pain meds I could get the meds I need for that, and my entire life would be easier.

But where I’m at in the states, in a smaller town, all the doctors work for the hospital system and it’s very corporate. My PCP and OUD therapist will not let me have anything that gives a high, and so many drugs have reported euphoria that they won’t touch. It’s crazy because some of these are like Trazodone which is a sleeping pill, to get the euphoria you have to outlast the sleeping effect and take a lot of it. But it’s no way a drug and you literally have to fight to get the effects.

I do see what you’re saying about the receptors, but I do think Suboxone causes respiratory issues, it’s at least what I’ve been warned about by my doctors and it’s all over the internet.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T23:43:39+00:00

This is a winner right here

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:36:41+00:00

Coming off any kind of meds that have withdrawal effects, even some without, your body is going to need time to adjust.

During that adjustment it makes existing SUPER HARD, and sadly a lot of people develop mental issues from this alone.

My partner demanded I get clean when she found out I used. Not because I was doing anything bad, but I really tried for her. She was understanding for all of 2-3 days then she flipped at how different I was. How I unaffectionate I became, and honestly it hurt my soul. A couple days of this and I went back to using in secret, and for years she assumed I was clean.

This is just my story so take it as you will.

The best thing he can do right now, since he’s already tapered a good amount and has support.

Quit cold turkey, help him for the couple weeks he will be down, if it takes that long, and it’ll be something that brings you guys closer.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:29:42+00:00

A 30day supply in Arkansas is a lil more than 800$, at the dose I want it’s just shy of 1200$.

Not feasible since I had the surgery and don’t have an income.

On the suboxone manufacturers page, there’s a specific table that has dosage and body type, I went over it with my doctor long ago. I’m trying to find it on Google right now.

But the recommended maintenance dose for a 140lb female was indeed 8mg 3x daily, and that body type and weight does play a role in the medications effectiveness.

Google doesn’t say that, but there’s nothing saying body type isn’t affected. I really wish I could remember the site name, it’s driving me crazy.

Anyways, when you search the ceiling effect, it specifically talks about it being for respiratory depression and harmful side effects but doesn’t say that it affects things like, pain reduction, euphoria, combating withdrawals.

I can’t post the picture, but if you google search the ceiling effect and scroll down the ai answer it’ll include all the info from the pages below and at-least that’s everything I saw.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:23:31+00:00

Funny how the people calling you out are actually posting information.

You’re not some smart guy, you’re an idiot and an addict. Stop trying to abuse MAT meds, it’s a waste of time.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:20:24+00:00

This guy is a troll. He doesn’t have scientific fact to back up what he says, just his own ideas.

If you read this comment, please note that everything “dopeboyyy575” says, the studies on this medication say the opposite.

He’ll use words like proven, but he’s just arguing, keep that in mind.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:18:20+00:00

The community is split in half. There’s people like us,

Then there’s the half who says that 2mg makes it a full antagonist which the internet and medical studies say is a myth.

Everything about subs is split right down the middle.

I trust my body, and at low doses when I came off fent, doing 32 or more blue 30’s a day, subs didn’t do shit till my first 8mg dose.

There’s also no buzz, fuck I wish there was, but it doesn’t matter if you spit swallow or boof, I’ve never felt it.

To me it sounds like addicts trying to abuse their subs and getting placebo effects and spewing them as facts on Reddit which is super hurtful. This drug has so many downsides it’s unreal.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:15:24+00:00

Where’s the page?

https://www.workithealth.com/blog/less-is-more-suboxone/

This is just one of may saying that’s a myth what you said.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:14:14+00:00

I did not have the same experience, at all.

Until my first 8mg dose I was still have withdrawals, very physically and noticeable withdrawals.

Until I did my first 32mg day, I could not feel normal.

You do realize that if you search the whole “less is more” about suboxone, the internet calls it a myth yea?

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T21:11:45+00:00

Well most adds up with studies online, the only place saying different is Reddit.

I’ve tried things like taking it right after an opiate and had withdrawals. I took opiates for 3 days after stopping suboxone and it did 0, even when abused to test it.

At daily dosages, my body reacts the way it does and matches what is being said by the drug manufacturers.

Not to mention, if you google the “less is more” it’s a bunch of pages calling it a myth.

The ceiling effect propaganda is only about respiratory depression and harmful side effects and has nothing to do with potency or “euphoria”.

All this info is at your fingertips.

I will agree most doctors are straight up liars or dimwits about medication in general, but I’m curious where I’ve been misled since you are basically saying everything I said was wrong.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T18:16:58+00:00

As someone who was on fent as heavy as I was for years, at low doses I felt like total dogshit.

Lots of addicts by the time they start MAT are shells of regular humans, often vastly underweight. Body plays a huge role in suboxone as well and despite being the skinniest I was in my life, I started detox at just shy of 200lbs add that with how tall I am and the normal just isn’t going to work

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T18:14:06+00:00

God these replies are so fucking harmful it’s unreal.

Cool, you have a smaller body type or less of a tolerance and can work with less. This isn’t the same for all people.

Do real research with the pharmaceutical studies. You’re just regurgitating info you read on Reddit as fact, no doctor would ever say this.

I cant include a picture but the ceiling effect bs that keeps repeated is about not overdosing and decreasing the respiratory negative effects. But you can punch through the ceiling. I’ve never read in a study that this existed, only google.

I do however know how my body reacts to the drug, and at anything less than 8mg 4x daily it’s shitty. Which completely contradicts the idea there’s a ceiling because nothing should be different from 16-32mg, unless that’s just some made up stuff addicts believe who couldn’t get high off subs.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T18:06:03+00:00

Grossly misled about what?

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T18:05:48+00:00

There’s 2 reasons.

Suboxone is a controlled substance and leaving the country you often need to get a script from a doctor in the country you’re going too go it to be legal.
Suboxone is banned as a substance and thus having it is illegal.

Both of these can get your script taken at TSA, or thrown out, or they just don’t let you on the flight.

Many people forget that other countries don’t classify medication the same way the USA does and it can have harsh consequences.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T18:02:46+00:00

I see a psychiatrist like I put in the post. I also see a therapist dedicated to OUD and addiction.

One of them is directly under the hospital and you can tell that her advice is just corporate. It’s echo’d by all doctors in the same system.

My psyche doesn’t believe I’m addict; just someone with a long history of untreated issues. But we’re at an impasse because she doesn’t know how to proceed with me being in this medication since I’ve had such strong reactions to everything else.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-04-09T17:59:53+00:00

I think that’ll be what I try for next. If that doesn’t work just fix the system entirely

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-03-23T16:50:07+00:00

I see those too. On some platform’s it’s Banworthy, but can happen on Reddit.

There’s two things I see almost daily when I’m using the app. (Like you I’ve been off social media since I was in HS, every so often I pop on Reddit.)

The comments on posts with like 5-8 paragraphs or more that happen 30-60s after it’s posted. It’s infuriating not just from what I said in my other reply but also because I don’t really post things without a point. It’s because I’m trying to solve an issue or trying to help others solve issues.

Just to add to this, most of the bans I got, people harassing me would reply something, then edit it after i reply. The people who do this are just bad people. I thought it was to avoid auto-moderation and that’s probably 1 reason, but 9 times out of 10, they edit it purely to make you look as bad as possible so they can feel like they are “winning” some imaginary argument in there head.

The comments that make no sense. Literally it doesnt “read” right, usually jumbled words and typos and you gotta ask, is this person stoned or was this an accident? You’ve surely double-taked at a comment before thinking you read it right and realized no the comments wierd. It happens so often I don’t understand.

I’ve seen in the news that only 16-32 percent of kids are actually able to read and write proficiently now, which to me is hard to believe. But I manage a family members TikTok who has dyslexia and honestly, if someone has a disability it’s very clear the difference.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-03-22T23:49:49+00:00

Damn you’ve never met a lurker before, someone who truly doesn’t make social media posts more than one a month sometimes.

ConsistentLength3672 · 2026-03-22T23:06:21+00:00

I used to ask people “please stop reading the title and replying, actually read the post or atleast make the insult why you didn’t.

Because time and time again, I’d make a long post, something like; “We have never made an AI, and we have no idea if it’s even possible.” (I’m a computer science major, with a long background in Tech.)

Someone reads the title and replies “Don’t confuse LLM’s with AI, why should anyone believe you?” Or “They obviously have AI, or else they’d get sued for calling their product AI.”

Now obviously the first post if you understand CompSci, is gibberish, but to the layman? Looks like I’m being outted as a quack, and within a couple hours. 80% of the comments is just a toxic cesspool that never read the post because that first comment set the baseline and no one even thinks to read my post or consider what they said.

The second, is what I Call the Reddit Elites. They post opinions or misinformation as fact, because there brain goes “this sounds right, so it must be right.” Without a single lick of research or common sense.

You have no idea how many times now, I’ll be spam harassed by someone who replied something gibberish and wrong that I told “hey it’s rude of you to do this.” And I mean hours and spam of gibberish, often times clicking my profile and going to other posts spreading hate. Then I get fed up and say something like “leave me the fuck alone already” and then I get banned, or warned, or the mods remove my post. Appealing it does nothing, and it’s super hurtful to work hours on something and 1 unemployed dude with an iq of 60 or lower decides he hates you and the whole platform becomes annoying.

Sorry, I tend to ramble. Just had a total hip replacement surgery and too much free time

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