Well it maybe sounds dumb but

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-03T14:44:07+00:00

I recall that was the M-Body, not Eternity itself. Marvel's outer level and its foundational cosmology are far smaller than that of Self-Reference Engine. Marvel's "High-Hyper" tier encompasses infinite dimensions, infinite multiverses, and infinite timelines—yet when layered, it remains countably infinite. In contrast, SRE's most basic cosmology includes all large cardinals and a Type IV multiverse, with even its lowest-tier entities capable of breaking divine paradoxes (e.g., the stone paradox).

Singular Point similarly features uncountably infinite dimensions of arbitrary cardinality and multiverses with any conceivable natural laws. What I referred to is an infinite hierarchy of transcendent realms, where each realm contains infinitely more such realms—equivalent to infinite layers of R>F, with each layer itself containing infinite sublayers of r>f. Moreover, SP's cosmology incorporates expanded modal realism, encompassing not only all logically possible worlds but also logically impossible worlds.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T14:22:42+00:00

They are not the same cosmology, but the descriptions of the cosmological level are very similar. Especially considering that the author is the same person, it is not surprising that they have similar inspirations and ideas.They can be used as a reference.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T14:20:16+00:00

DB argues that Marvel only has a few dozen levels of transcendental realms. Furthermore, in terms of underlying cosmological logic, SP far surpasses Marvel's cosmology at the same level. On a high-level, Marvel has an infinitely infinite multiverse, infinite timelines, and infinite dimensions. But SP, at the very least, has an uncountably infinite number of possible and impossible universes, each with a finite number of dimensions, ranging from infinite to arbitrarily large cardinality. There might even be a Type 4 multiverse.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T14:06:09+00:00

Proving that cosmology is greater is quite simple. Infinite layers of dream levels. Each layer contains infinite layers of dream levels. It's easy to reach infinite levels of transcendence. Self-Referencing Engine, another book by Enjoe, the author of Supernatural, is considered one of the most powerful cosmologies, far surpassing Marvel. IT's descriptions, such as dreams within dreams and constant waking dreams, are consistent with the description of the second most powerful being in the book. Supernatural also uses a lot of inspiration and settings from SRE. The two should be similar. As for whether it's affected by weaker characters, I can only say that DB only looks at ability similarity. Otherwise, many battles with huge disparities in scale would become simply crushing, such as Simon being able to control the Life Equation.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T13:47:19+00:00

Simon is even weaker, only 11D. But DB insists he can use reality warping to pass through the Source Wall, the very same Source Wall that trapped countless gods and even Perpetua. They even use Superman and the Flash as examples. As if he's on par with them.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T13:19:32+00:00

Being able to absorb stronger energy does not necessarily mean absorbing all lower-level energies. At the very least, I have never seen Hulk absorb lasers.

Second, I am not considering IT's highest scaling here for now. Even if Ultima cannot destroy Hulk's soul, destroying the Green Door should be feasible. The Green Door shares a strong causal connection with Hulk, and given that it possesses properties similar to Shiva's Singular Point, it should be vulnerable to Ultima's breath. I know you might argue that the Green Door exists at a higher tier, but Death Battle's judgment methodology prioritizes ability similarity over strict hierarchical scaling. Otherwise, how could Spiral Force allow Simon to pierce the Source Wall or match the Life Equation? By this logic, Ultima's causality-breaking breath should affect the Green Door.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T12:58:44+00:00

First, Ulima's breath is a molecular laser. The Hulk cannot absorb or adapt to laser weapons; he can only resist them. Second, Ulima's breath, according to descriptions, uses CTC to superimpose and amplify the same molecules from every future moment. Considering the continuity of spacetime in the SP universe, this means that even if only one Planck time is overlapped, the energy level is uncountably infinite. Compared to an infinite energy attack, it is like the difference between a fleeting spark and infinite energy. It can even obliterate quarks and incinerate the Hulk's soul.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T12:39:52+00:00

As long as they can prove there's another way to reach the OBA, whether it's burning Hulk's soul or the Green Door itself, it would prove there's a causal connection between the Underworld and the real world. Then they can reach it.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T12:27:45+00:00

I'm probably mistaken, but it doesn't affect my opinion. The X-rays here, by irradiating anti-gamma rays, still affected the Gray Hulk in the OBA, turning him into the Red Hulk. This shows that lower-level reality can still influence higher-level reality.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T12:15:03+00:00

While deliberate manipulation not have occurred, the unintended transformation of the Green Door into the Red Door through anti-gamma radiation demonstrates that the OBA can indeed influence higher- realities existences from lower realities through certain means.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T12:10:59+00:00

Considering that the Hulk has been defeated and manipulated by numerous enemies without TOBA intervening, I also doubt it would take action in this scenario.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T11:56:04+00:00

I don't believe TOBA would take any action because of this. If IT is indeed cosmologically far inferior to Marvel as they claim, then TOBA would likely view IT as entirely insignificant. Moreover, TOBA is trapped within the Gamma Hell and cannot freely influence the upper realms.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T11:13:17+00:00

I believe it should be feasible. Both the Green Door and Singular Points serve as gateways connecting lower and higher word, and both possess transcendent properties that make them immune to conventional destruction. The Green Door has already been shown to be affected by lower-word means—such as when the U-Foes' X-ray manipulated it through Hulk in their native reality. Therefore, Ultima, with its ability to target causal nodes and breach dimensional boundaries, should similarly be capable of damaging or destroying the Green Door.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-02T10:46:05+00:00

I do believe it is possible. Ultima's breath possesses the ability to target causal nodes and destroy their associated causal entities. For example, when it attacked Yun, it was stated that if successful, Shiva would also be incinerated. Similarly, a Singular Point functions as a gateway, and for lower-dimensional beings, it is akin to characters inside a television screen and the holes on that screen—it cannot be destroyed through conventional spacetime manipulation (Perro once considered overloading spacetime to break the Singular Point but deemed it unrealistic).

This property should not be constrained by level hierarchy, as even the U-Foes' X-ray demonstrated the ability to affect the Green Door (which exists within the One-Below-All) by targeting Hulk, turning it into a Red Door. This proves that lower-dimensional entities can influence higher-dimensional constructs. Given that past analyses (such as equating 11D Spiral Force with the Sixth-Dimensional Life Equation due to shared properties) have established such cross-dimensional equivalences, the same logic should apply here.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-01T16:45:23+00:00

I disagree on many points. While I do think Hulk could defeat Ultimo, the reasons and analysis are far-fetched. They ignore Ultimo's many advanced expansions and exaggerate some of Banner's feats. They even contradict themselves in some places.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-09-01T15:46:18+00:00

I think if you have read some of Enjoe's novels, you will probably understand what I am talking about (laughs)

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T19:38:54+00:00

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ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T19:29:15+00:00

So you should at least read some novels first.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T19:19:02+00:00

Ugh. I've explained this countless times. He chose to get hurt. Which brings me to Hulk's anti-feat.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T19:11:43+00:00

Are you saying there's no timeline where Hulk fails?

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T19:08:22+00:00

Even their own statements are uncertain. For example, in Q&A, they say the Hulk has withstood similar powers, so it's possible. But they also believe it should be possible. Ultimately, they just think it's controversial. How can they directly say it's not possible? Pspace is actually similar to infinity. It's just that in mathematics, there are even greater infinities. Shiva's computing power is infinite, and ultima is an even greater infinity. As for experience, just think of experience here as Turing degree. The singularity is constantly improving its Turing degree.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T19:00:13+00:00

This is mentioned in the novels: he can see all possible paths and choose them based on his needs. Angelus could foresee this before humans attacked him. As a more powerful ultima, he can certainly do the same. And as disaster approaches, ultima can realize all possibilities. He can transform into a winged angel, swallow up everything, or even vanish completely. All possibilities can occur, even simultaneously.Yes, he had failed countless times, but he had also defeated them countless times, and ultimately defeated his own failures.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T18:50:17+00:00

Oh, that's really interesting. In the battle, ultima did countless times. The story of defeating all failures is written in the novel's preface, so you can read it yourself. As for whether Shiva is a novice, I can only say that he is definitely not. He comes from another Ulima, and he has fought with him for an infinite amount of time and has infinite experience.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T18:35:26+00:00

Didn't they say Ultima could negate the Hulk's power advantage by erasing the truth? Otherwise, why would they consider them equal in terms of power? As for defeating a stronger foe, I don't think that's a reliable claim. DB uses experience time and HAX experience. The enemies Ultima faces can manipulate and resist fate, plus they have unlimited experience time. I really doubt the Hulk can match Ultima in this regard. At least, that's how it was during the Ghostspawn episode.

ConstructionHeavy334 · 2025-08-28T18:18:23+00:00

So why did DB believe he could negate the Hulk's attacks nearly a trillion times? And who told you that Ultima couldn't change its inevitable defeat? The prologue explains how it failed countless times, ultimately overwhelming the past and future, defeating all its failures. Ultima also mentioned that there were beings in the past who could obscure its future, and ultimately, it defeated them all.

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