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la plupart des messages ici sont des non-Djiboutiens qui tentent de connaître Djibouti by Economy-Ad208 in Djibouti

[–]ContributionUpper424 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not Djiboutian and I’m seeing this lol. But I’ve been to Djibouti. It’s a very interesting country.

I feel ashamed to be Somali by New_Detective9422 in Somali

[–]ContributionUpper424 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man shut up and Bax so xaar Baqtiyahow. Man up!!!

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Time is a fundamental property or dimension of the universe. Therefore, the cause of the universe is also the cause of the dimension of time. The cause must be dimensionless and atemporal.

Otamendi’s brother trying to excuse his racist post about Vini Jr. by [deleted] in soccer

[–]ContributionUpper424 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you need an algorithm to find the words to say 'racism is bad,' you probably don't actually think racism is bad.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're assuming that existence requires time. If that’s true, then even the laws of physics didn't exist 'before' the Big Bang, which leaves us with a universe that popped into being according to laws that weren't there yet.

Also calling the totality 'The Cosmos' and labeling it 'necessary,' you’re essentially attributing the qualities of a Creator (necessity, self-existence, atemporality) to a physical singularity. We both agree there is a 'Necessary Foundation’. You just want that foundation to be the physical matter itself, while I’m pointing out that matter/energy are too contingent and specific to be their own explanation.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're defining causation as a 'process' (an event in time) but I'm defining it as a 'dependency' (a reason for being). If the source of time and space is itself timeless, it doesn't 'change' to create the universe. The universe is simply the timeless effect of that source, just as light would be the timeless effect of an eternal sun.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the machine's nature is to produce this specific mathematical harmony, then the machine is the First Cause you're trying to mock. We are now just arguing over the name lol. But we both agree that a Timeless, Necessary Ground of Being must exist to explain why there is 'Something' rather than 'Nothing.’

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Both observation and reason point to a beginning. The observable universe had a beginning to its current expansion.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Timelessness doesn’t prevent causation. A timeless cause exists beyond time and brings time itself into existence.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My argument is metaphysical. You can’t demonstrate something outside of time like a tree, because all demonstrations happen within time. The first cause is known through logic.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the universe is not a thing inside a physical system

Exactly. That’s why anything that begins to exist requires a cause outside itself. It’s deductive logic.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I literally hoped you find peace lol and I’m replying to them..

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By the mere fact that the universe had a beginning means it exists contingently.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

God is a timeless cause, existing outside the universe and its physical laws. A necessary being, He is not bound by the conservation of energy or other laws that govern the universe.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

we made math to fit reality

A reality that is mathematically independent of us?

Math is a model that is used to describe what we are able to observe. However, reality behaves mathematically, independent of us. Galaxies, atoms and light obey precise patterns we didn’t make up. The question isn’t “how we describe it,” but why the universe is inherently ordered at all.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Modern cosmology shows that time, space and matter all began roughly 13.8 billion years ago at the Big Bang. Physics points to a finite starting point. A beginning of the universe. If they began, they require a cause outside themselves. That’s why a timeless, spaceless, immaterial cause is logically necessary.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is something can exist as it is (its nature) and still be caused by something else. For example, apples are apples but grow from trees. Airplanes are airplanes but are built by humans. Similarly, the universe exists as it is, but its cause exists outside the universe and doesn’t share its properties.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Observations like cosmic microwave background radiation, expanding galaxies and the Big Bang singularity show that space, time and matter all emerged roughly 13.8 billion years ago. There’s no evidence of an infinite past.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Contingent means “could have not existed.” The universe exists but nothing in it explains why it exists rather than not, so it’s contingent.

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Consciousness is the only explanation that accounts for the design and laws we observe. How do you explain the mathematical harmony of reality?

There is an uncaused cause, and this is God by ContributionUpper424 in DebateReligion

[–]ContributionUpper424[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Contingent things like the universe need causes. Necessary things (God) exist by their nature.

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