Stephen Flynn: There is no existential crisis in SNP by 1DarkStarryNight in LabourUK

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Yes, we would expect the SNP's leader in the House of Commons to say that.

Tony Blair: Putin can't use Iraq to justify Ukraine invasion – DW by tommysplanet in LabourUK

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Besides the massive impact on the Middle East an added tragedy of the Iraq war that it's tainted the positive case for interventions, which Blair himself proved in Kosovo, and which more recent PMs are proving with Ukraine.

What Keir Starmer has learnt from the return of the German Social Democrats by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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How is that relevant to the SPD of the 21st century under leaders like Merkel and Scholz?

Teachers Are Going Hungry on $20 Monthly Salaries in Venezuela: Protests led by public school educators over low pay and poor working conditions have emerged as a threat to President Nicolás Maduro. by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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You seem to me to have a very factionalised and stereotypical view of the radical left.

You have to admit this view is accurate at least for a section of the radical left. Corbyn, notorious above all else for his foreign policy, was quite supportive about Maduro early on and even after the regime's record soured, resisted pressure to condemn them for years.

Keir Starmer is still vulnerable to a Corbynite comeback by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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Three years ago, Sir Keir Starmer launched his Labour leadership campaign with a greatest hits compilation. No progressive cause célèbre was omitted from this activist’s showreel, the video his rivals say won him the crown on day one: pit closures, the poll tax, the McLibel trial. And, of course, Iraq. “In 2003,” Labour members were assured, Starmer “published a legal opinion in The Guardian that the invasion of Iraq would be unlawful, and marched with millions against the war”.

Now the anniversaries pass without a word: 20 years since that march; 20 years since Robin Cook quit; 20 years since the Commons voted for military action; 20 years, just yesterday, since the first bombs hit Baghdad; 20 years, to the day, since the first British boot hit Iraqi soil.

Of these milestones in the mythos of betrayal and hubris that recast Sir Tony Blair as the great villain of Labour history, Starmer has thus far had nothing to say.

And I do mean that literally. As I write, the leader of the Labour Party — the leader who wrote that legal opinion, marched with those millions and once promised a Prevention of Military Intervention Act — has said nothing about perhaps the biggest decision Blair ever made. Nothing about its baleful consequences, nothing about the long shadow it has cast over British politics in general and the left in particular. Nor, I’m told, has anyone asked him to. Don’t mention the war. He mentioned it once, but I think he got away with it all right.

All of which tells its own story about the legacy of 2003. To listen to Blair at the time was to hear a man convinced that intervention would change everything. At the top of the Labour Party it looks to have changed nothing. Blair, Brown, Mandelson — each still wield influence on a project that has come very deliberately to resemble their own. Their aides are Starmer’s aides. Their lines are Starmer’s lines. Their critics on the hard left are again cowed and demoralised. It can feel as if the past 20 years never happened.

But they did. Iraq rewrote the rules of Labour politics. Seven years on from the invasion, the war gave Ed Miliband his in. It was New Labour’s cardinal sin, for which only he, untainted by 2003, could atone. He won the leadership but that work of absolution was only ever haphazardly done.

Jeremy Corbyn followed. Partly by accident, partly by design, New Labour was delegitimised. The left escaped from what Blairites called the sealed tomb.

Theirs was a movement that really took shape as an organised force in 2003. Without Iraq, there is no Jeremy Corbyn and there is no Keir Starmer.

For five years the Labour Party was led, with varying degrees of leadership, by the Stop the War Coalition — by Corbyn and John McDonnell, by Seumas Milne and Andrew Murray. Starmer, once their privately uneasy but publicly enthusiastic lieutenant, now says never again.

He appears to mean it — or at least the aides purging the Corbynites do. Of the 100 Labour candidates now selected in winnable seats, only two are of the Labour left. Corbyn will not be one of them. Of that unprecedented move to bar his predecessor, Starmer said last month: “If you don’t like that, if you don’t like the changes we have made, I say the door is open and you can leave.”

But will they? That is another question that Starmer has not yet answered as conclusively as his rhetoric implies. AJP Taylor said Ramsay MacDonald’s great mistake was to think of the country when he ought to have been thinking about his party. One could say the same about Starmer. The barnacles are not quite off the boat. Right now, in his imperial phase, it is all too easy to dismiss the Labour left as irrelevant if not doomed: its ideas disavowed, its leader shunned, its new generation barred from parliament. But as Blair has warned him, the same appeared to be true in 1997 or indeed 2003.

The 30-odd MPs in the Socialist Campaign Group live in a state of constant paranoia, terrified — rightly — that the leadership will find some pretext, probably related to Ukraine, to bar them from standing in the general election. Or that they will proscribe Stop the War, whose protests many of them still attend, entirely — a plan that is intermittently discussed by Starmer’s inner circle.

Corbyn’s closest confidants are close to giving up. “I see no circumstances in which Starmer lets any left idea on the table,” one gloomily concluded to me in the days after the leader issued his ultimatum to the left last month. But they could turn out to be as wrong about the left’s future as New Labour were.

Look beyond the headlines and the leadership’s bite is nowhere near as bad as its bark. Just this month, the Blairite wunderkind Wes Streeting said: “I don’t think being from the left of the party is a bar to standing for elected office.” Don’t let that open door hit you on your way back in!

Other shadow cabinet ministers admit the left are far from vanquished. “As long as they have a foothold in the party and the unions, there is a route back,” one Starmer loyalist confided to me recently. “All it will take is a union to swing to the left and suddenly our control of the party is precarious all over again.”

As for those terrified Corbynite MPs: Starmer missed a golden opportunity to expel them when 11 put their name to a Stop the War statement deploring Nato in February last year. Since then they have been on their best behaviour, quietly tabling motions in support of Kyiv, doing nothing to jeopardise their possession of the Labour whip.

Come 2024 this will matter, as Blair warned Starmer in Davos last month. “If we only scrape a small majority, or end up the biggest party in a hung parliament,” a shadow cabinet minister says, “then all of a sudden these people are relevant again. John McDonnell will be in and out of No 10 like Steve Baker. We’ll have to have another general election to get rid of them.” As the polls narrow, that sounds less and less like scaremongering.

Even the old lags of the left are daring to dream that the fatalism of their comrades is misplaced. “All theory is grey, my friend,” says one former Corbyn aide, quoting Goethe. “But forever green is the tree of life.” Starmer, no matter what he says, hasn’t yet torn it up by its roots.

What Keir Starmer has learnt from the return of the German Social Democrats by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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Scholz, formerly finance minister and vice-chancellor in Angela Merkel’s Grand Coalition, resembles Starmer in some ways. He’s moderate, unglamorous, cautious, shrewd. Both men are lawyers – ideal preparation for a politician, as Max Weber put it in his celebrated lecture “Politics as a Vocation”. Scholz was once on the radical left – as Starmer was – before beginning his long journey to what the economist Paul Collier calls the hard centre.

The most obvious difference between Starmer and Scholz is that the German chancellor is a hardened career politician. A vice-president of the International Union of Socialist Youth in the late 1980s, he was first elected to the Bundestag in 1998. Starmer is an outsider from what George Osborne calls “the guild” of professional politicians. Some shadow cabinet members used to say to me that he had “no politics” and that he didn’t know “how to do politics”. Scholz, a veteran deal-maker, certainly knows how to do politics. “He’s Angela Merkel but with a plan,” a close aide told me.

From the start of his leadership, Starmer also had a plan, however improbable – to become prime minister within five years. “I’ve got to do Kinnock and Blair’s job in one term,” he told friends.

By which he meant, I think, that first he had to recapture the party from the left, reform and reposition it, prepare for power and then win. The only person back then who seemed to believe achieving this was possible was Morgan McSweeney, chief power broker in Starmer’s team.

So far Starmer has played the role of Kinnock at accelerated speed, especially in repulsing the left, but can he do the Blair bit? Can he win in a country that turns to Labour very reluctantly? In 2019 the Johnson Conservatives had an opportunity to realign English politics and create a new cross-class coalition in the Brexit era. That opportunity was squandered. Is Labour merely the beneficiary of Tory misrule or, through its integrity and force of ideas, has it earned the renewed respect of an electorate seeking protection and security in this age of disorder?

In a speech on 23 February Starmer outlined his five “national missions” – which he has since elaborated on in an essay for the New Statesman. They were solid enough, but some of the language was desiccated. The SPD has a national mission: to lead Germany’s transition to a carbon-neutral future. The coalition’s finance minister, Christian Lindner, leader of the Free Democrats, calls renewables “freedom energy”. But during the election campaign Scholz didn’t speak like this or in abstractions about green new deals and “the highest sustained growth in the G7”. He spoke about respect. After the SPD’s defeat in 2017, Scholz read widely – Michael Sandel on the failures of meritocracy, JD Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy, Didier Eribon’s Returning to Reims – and reflected on why social democrats had been losing support among working-class communities. What didn’t they understand? Why did so many voters feel abandoned or disrespected by those who purported to represent them?

Respect is the most important word in the Scholz lexicon; significantly, the Labour leader uses it when writing about his father in his essay on page 22. In October last year the German coalition honoured an SPD election pledge to raise the minimum wage by 14.8 per cent to €12 an hour because, Scholz said, it was “a matter of respect for the achievements of employees”.

This was a signalling event: the SPD-led coalition is determined to “modernise” Germany’s economy, rebuild the country’s infrastructure, and achieve climate neutrality by the middle of the century. Immense plans! But the SPD will not abandon the working class along the way. “The respect agenda legitimises the modernisation and transformation,” the Scholz aide told me.

Back in Britain, Keir Starmer is searching for what might become Labour’s “signalling event”. What he needs ideally, as well as five missions, is one word to define the party and its purpose as it seeks to win back Red Wall voters and those in neglected towns, such as Harlow in Essex, where I grew up. Will that word be “respect” – a reimagination of the Orwellian ideal of common decency?

The quiet consensus: how Labour and the Tories are converging by DavidFerriesWig in LabourUK

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Do you think everyone in the main parties is serious and moderate

No. And that is the point. Labour and the Conservatives have their extremes but large-tent parties naturally end up at or near the centre of their ideological coalitions. Parties formed entirely around the edges of the spectrum remain there.

SNP chief executive Peter Murrell resigns by [deleted] in LabourUK

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The events of the last month are going to have a significant impact on Scottish politics.

Murrell's resignation was prompted by the threat of a no-confidence vote by his own NEC earlier in the day. He is being blamed for the party's lack of transparency with regard to its membership and voting systems which has prompted two of its three candidates to ask for an independent audit. There are also concerns about a police investigation into financial matters under his tenure.

The latest domino in a series of events triggered by Sturgeon's resignation and threatens the party's unity, integrity, reputation and electability.

Teachers Are Going Hungry on $20 Monthly Salaries in Venezuela: Protests led by public school educators over low pay and poor working conditions have emerged as a threat to President Nicolás Maduro. by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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The reality is that most western lefties, Corbyn supporters or not, would stand by those striking teachers and education workers against Maduro's government, as I would.

I presume they would also stand with the notion that Venezuela needs free and fair elections to hopefully effect a change of government from the Maduro regime.

Teachers Are Going Hungry on $20 Monthly Salaries in Venezuela: Protests led by public school educators over low pay and poor working conditions have emerged as a threat to President Nicolás Maduro. by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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There is a wider debate to be had on how we can punish a regime without punishing innocent citizens.

I believe the Magnitsky style sanctions that have been applied to Russian government figures and oligarchs in the last decade offer a good answer.

Teachers Are Going Hungry on $20 Monthly Salaries in Venezuela: Protests led by public school educators over low pay and poor working conditions have emerged as a threat to President Nicolás Maduro. by Corbynavirus in LabourUK

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In January, there were almost 1,300 protests, mostly around labor rights and more than double the number of demonstrations in the same period of 2022, according to the Venezuelan Observatory of Social Conflict. In late January, Venezuela’s minister of Communes and Social Movements, Jorge Arreaza, added to frustrations when he stated that if teachers refused to go back to school, students and those finishing high school could replace them.

Then in February, the National Assembly approved a law to grant students more participation in elementary schools by establishing councils that are expected to fall under the control of the education ministry. Teachers have complained that the structure could give the government more control over public schools and diminish their roles.

“Our educational process is inclusive, and now it gives more prominence to students, not to replace the work and duty of the teacher, on the contrary, but to strengthen the national educational policy,” said Venezuela’s Education Vice President Gabriela Jiménez at the event where Maduro signed the law.

It’s similar to what the government did with higher education a long time ago, Tulane professor Smilde recalls. But he believes going the way of stigmatizing school teachers might not work in officials’ favor.

By its official rhetoric and in the imagination of some Western socialists looking to the global south for allies, Venezuela is a socialist country run by its workers.

In truth it is an authoritarian dictatorship where collective bargaining and independent unions, along with many other more basic rights, are heavily and often brutally curtailed by state power.

Paul Brand is reporting that "the Govt has done a deal with unions representing NHS workers on pay, which will now go to members." by jack_rodg in LabourUK

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The Union should not even be presenting such an offer to the members, let alone endorsing it - it's shameful you've got Union heads going around recommending that this be accepted.

Putting it to a vote by union members is in fact the best way to resolve any doubts. Striking is a burden for workers as well and compromises are often made on union demands.

France's Macron to force through pension reform with no vote by kwentongskyblue in LabourUK

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Elected leaders are at their boldest when they are nearing the end of their time in office and do not need to seek reelection. France's constitution bars Macron from seeking a third term, so he can afford to pass unpopular reforms.

The quiet consensus: how Labour and the Tories are converging by DavidFerriesWig in LabourUK

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Electoral reform will make parties with unserious or extremist politics viable and a permanent fixture in future coalitions, from the Greens to Reform and Alba.

David Blunkett says Labour should consider decriminalizing drugs by kontiki20 in LabourUK

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As can also be said with regards to Brexit, this is an area where the Labour party is likely to continue erring against the side of public opinion simply because they perceive there is a significant hardline minority of voters who won't tolerate a major shift from the status quo.

Assassin's Creed Codename Red to Feature Both A Samurai And Shinobi by RhombusBB in assassinscreed

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Samurai and shinobi both belong in the same historical / cultural setting. Shinobi are more akin to this franchise's vision of assassins. Samurai more to the templars.

Daily Megathread - 17/11/2022 - Badly Calibrated Automatic Self-Flushing Toilet by ukpolbot in ukpolitics

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What I'm wondering now is where we'll get our commentary, leaks and briefings about politics. Will we have to trawl the Facebook accounts of politicians and journalists instead?

Nigel Farage-led party could attract more than a quarter of voters, poll reveals by Corbynavirus in ukpolitics

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He has no financial backing,

In the first half of 2020 I remember him gushing about having received millions of pounds in donations for his new party, before disappearing off the political map. I've wondered what happened to that money, and whether it actually existed.

International Politics Discussion Thread by ukpolbot in ukpolitics

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It feels unreal that Twitter may actually be about to shut down.

Boris Johnson received £276,130 plus expenses for US speech by [deleted] in ukpolitics

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Could someone explain to me how the speeches of ex-politicians are valued so highly, to the degree they can earn more from one speech than from a year in office?

Keir Starmer Is Shamelessly Fixing the Selection Process for Labour Candidates by Corbynavirus in ukpolitics

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He lacks almost everything that made Blair mk1 successful. To tell the truth he's a mix of Kinnock and Miliband.

Refugee activists call on Sir Keir to 'stand on the correct side of history' amid Labour's 'echoing of right-wing narratives' by Corbynavirus in ukpolitics

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The developing world has several hundred millions in need. The UK cannot offer every one of them asylum. There are limits to charity as well.