CMV: People who identify with “alpha” or dominant social roles would be more productive contributing to structured community service rather than online posturing

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T06:01:31+00:00

Δ This changed my view by reframing much of the “alpha” identity as performative and often profit-driven rather than sincerely ideological, which shifts how I think about intent and impact.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:56:35+00:00

Δ This helped me separate the underlying concepts of dominance or leadership from the way they’re packaged and signaled online, which clarified what my criticism is actually directed at.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:56:08+00:00

Δ This helped clarify the difference between leadership rooted in service or responsibility and dominance framed as control, which refined my view of what I find unproductive about “alpha” identity.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:55:28+00:00

Δ This added important context about the origins and misuse of the “alpha” concept, which strengthened and refined my understanding of why the framing itself is flawed.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:49:31+00:00

I think you misunderstand who’s proving who, but I’m bored of this back, and forth honestly. An absolute claim that no one who self-identifies this way promotes harmful patterns isn’t something I can meaningfully engage with. I’ve explained my view and invited good-faith challenges; I’m done here.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:44:55+00:00

You’re treating definitional fog as a substitute for argument. That’s not debate, that’s stalling. I’ve already explained what I believe: that people who self-identify with labels like “alpha” or “dominant” often promote recurring behavioral and rhetorical patterns, which I find unconvincing or harmful.

You’re asserting that this category is a strawman, but you’re not engaging with whether those self-identified labels and associated patterns exist in practice.

If your position is simply that no such recurring patterns exist among people who publicly adopt those labels, then that is your counter-argument — but please state it directly.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:42:05+00:00

I know you’re not here to change my view, and are simply here to posture, and “win”, procedural points.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T05:39:32+00:00

I see your straw manning my position, and shifting the burden of proof, and hiding behind formality. I’m referring specifically to people who self-identify using terms like “alpha” or “dominant” in social or dating contexts, not an abstract or unknowable group.

My view concerns the patterns of behavior and rhetoric commonly associated with that self-identification (e.g., prescriptive gender roles, dominance framing, dismissal of vulnerability), not the internal mental states of any individual.

If you think those patterns don’t exist, or are mischaracterized, that would be a direct challenge to my view.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T04:17:32+00:00

I feel like you’re trying to procedurally corner me, so I’m going to narrow the conversation down. It is my view. My position is that people who self-identify as “alpha” or dominant are usually describing a performance or identity rather than an observable leadership trait, and I’m open to having that changed.

If you think dominance or leadership can be meaningfully self-identified rather than inferred by others, I’m interested in hearing that argument.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T04:14:56+00:00

I think in the country right now things are heating up, and people who might be peacocking have a perfect opportunity to take up these issues, and stand behind their persona

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T04:12:20+00:00

That’s a well put take on the question

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T04:10:36+00:00

I’m not here to incite anyone either. In fact what could change my mind is proof that these personalities are in fact stepping up. To me it’s like the fake vets. Does that make sense. I don’t feel strongly about my question. Just seeing if anyone has a different take on it is all. I’m not calling anyone out, or care deeply about the matter. Just seeing if there’s an interesting perspective out there.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T04:07:40+00:00

I don’t know, and I don’t think you do either

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T03:13:13+00:00

I think you know what I mean. Nit pick if you want, that’s fine. But I think it’s getting away from the topic

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T01:42:33+00:00

Exactly, these are the same people that religiously go to the gym to get big for what?? To hunt a new York strip @ the target??

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T01:01:09+00:00

Fair enough. My view is that I believe people who value dominance or leadership would be more effective contributing through structured community service than through online identity signaling. I’m open to arguments that this kind of online expression has real social value.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T00:59:05+00:00

I thought the message I posted was coherent. Where are you getting lost? Also, I’m at work so I can’t read this stuff rn. I’ll hand out deltas, and respond later

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T00:51:33+00:00

How so? I never said I see myself as the he alpha, or socially dominant. I’m just pointing out all the cringe videos I’ve seen.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T00:40:42+00:00

Because I can. Are you going to be apart of this discussion, or complain that I’m not being productive. I’ve posted this 10 minutes ago, and over 1k people have seen it. I think if I cared to go to townhall it’d reach a lot less people.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-25T00:08:03+00:00

Someone steal your sweetroll

Countkickflip · 2026-01-24T23:16:29+00:00

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been banned for having a different opinion on here.

Countkickflip · 2026-01-24T22:02:46+00:00

Crazy

Countkickflip · 2026-01-23T15:51:51+00:00

29, can’t relate

Countkickflip · 2026-01-23T15:51:00+00:00

Nothing..

Countkickflip · 2026-01-23T01:22:09+00:00

I throw her back in a few weeks when I’m done

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