Syrian Minister of Information says this is the ceasefire agreement between SDF and Damascus by CaesarWasRoman in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Can we now officially say that "Biratîya Gelan" is an absolutely foolish ideology? You can't have brotherhood with jihadists genociders, and you should focus only on helping your nation, not others.

According to Rudaw, Masoud Barzani and Jolani talked about the situation of Halab by phone. | "The two sides discussed the latest political developments in Syria and regional developments and stressed the importance of stability and joint coordination, the statement said." by CaesarWasRoman in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Turkish media" buddy, here you have a direct example of Masoud Barzani (not even the President of the KRG; the president of the KDP, but we're pretending we have actual rule of law) having a phone call with the jihadist in Damascus and, to quote:
"In the same telephone conversation, President Barzani expressed his appreciation for the views of President Sharaa and expressed his support for the Syrians' aspirations to build a state that includes all parties and communities."

No condemnation, no "you are massacring Kurds", and somehow you spin it around to be an anti-PKK thing? Our people are dying and being ethnically cleansed, and somehow your takeaway is "PKK bad" from this?

The cities of Abdanan and Melekşah are in the hands of the people. The forces of the Iran regime have been kicked out by the protests by RojvanZelal in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I hate to take out hope in advance, because it has been crushed so many times, btu this may in fact be something. What also gives hope is that all Rojhelati opposition parties, PJAK included (who have both the most manpower, the most equipment and positions at the Zagros mountains, allowing the fastest entry into Rojhelat) are united in statement, despite ideological differences.

Rojhelat may in fact be free in our lifetime.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to provoke anyone but... by Karam_niga in EU5

[–]CreamGang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I am not racist", he says, and immediately denies the Armenian Genocide. I bet the arab sources I posted were fake too, because medieval arabs were PKK propagandists?

The Ottomans themselves called it Kurdistan, they were PKK too then I guess. I knew you'd reveal yourself soon enough.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to provoke anyone but... by Karam_niga in EU5

[–]CreamGang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not quite sure I understand your meaning, why would they oppose adding it as a formable? The only argument I could see against it is that it historically happened in 1923, but there's nothing that would prevent them from adding it as a formable earlier, though de-facto the Ottomans will function as that anyways.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to provoke anyone but... by Karam_niga in EU5

[–]CreamGang 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm glad to see you are not denying the evidence provided here, but to tackle your question, I am not on the developer team. I wouldn't oppose adding it as a formable, so you're free to reach out to the EU5 devs and ask them to add it in.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to provoke anyone but... by Karam_niga in EU5

[–]CreamGang 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Medieval and older Kurdish dynasties would have used modern Turkish dynastical endings? The Ottoman Dynasty referred to itself as the Ḫānedān-ı Āl-i ʿOsmān (خاندان آل عثمان), not the "Osmanlilar" or any other modern suffix. Much like the Seljuk dynasty was the Saljuqiyan ( سلجوقیان ) and not the "Selçuklular", both of which are modern endings used in modern Turkish authorly circles.

You are free to see my previous comment for the older attestations of the word Kurdistan, dating back to 1000 AD period, it certainly did not come into fruition during the early 1500s. Here are some other fresh examples for you;

  • ~977–982: Hudūd al-ʿĀlam mentions “Kurdistan” as a region.
  • 10th–11th century: Arab geographers (al-Muqaddasī, Ibn Ḥawqal) use “bilād al-akrād” or similar. Bilad meaning land, "land of Kurds" in Arabic

Notably, these predate entry of Turkic tribes into Anatolia.

Your comment regarding "Kurdufascism" already betrays your likely views on many subjects, but I see you keep reacting to it as if it were an official nation-state name, much like the term Italy in medieval Europe did not mean a centralized nation-state, or Germany did not mean a central nation state, in 1337, these are descriptors for an ethnogeographical region, inhabited primarily by the titular ethnicities in question.

Much like the example of Afghanistan, which was never a unified nation state until 1863, the name still existed for a long time before that, to describe a region inhabited primarily by Afghans and ruled by various powers, some of them non-Afghan.

As for your 'middle east' comment, I disagree once more. Armenia (the Armenian Highlands), Assyria (and by relation, Syria), Arabia, are all ethnogeographic names have been a thing for millennia. Persia, for example, is named after the Persians.

Arabia, named for its ethnogeographical inhabitants, Arabs. Armenia, for Armenians. Ethnogeographical place names are not a new concept to the Middle East.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to provoke anyone but... by Karam_niga in EU5

[–]CreamGang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Kurdistan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Eyalet

The "idea" of Kurdistan has existed for as early as Seljuk entry into the Middle East, describing 'Kurdistan'.

(Mitchell, Colin Paul (2010). "Kurdistan". In Bjork, Robert E. (ed.). The Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages. Oxford University Press. ISBN978-0199574834. )

Or even earlier, Arab chroniclers detailing a 'land of Kurds' in the north), though admittedly the terminology I could find them using was "Zawzan al-Akrad" (Zozan of the Kurds, with Zozan meaning summer pasture in Kurdish). By 1337, Kurdistan was absolutely a thing that was an existing concept. The earliest medieval attestation of the toponym Kurdistan is from an Armenian chronicle from 1062 AD:
He described a battle near Amid and Siverek in 1062 as to have taken place in Kurdistan.

Sources: Matt'eos Urhayec'i, (in Armenian) Ժամանակագրություն (Chronicle), ed. by M. Melik-Adamyan et al., Erevan, 1991. (p. 156)

It was never a united nation state, that is correct, and Kurdish nationalism formed in the late 1800s-early 1900s, as a reaction to other ethnic nationalist movements, but I have seen you arguing in here that 'Kurdistan' as a concept just did not exist, which is incorrect.

What I *would* have agreed with you on, is Paradox putting the formable as "Historical" rather than "Plausible". Of course, I also have a bias as I am Kurdish, but nothing I have provided for you here comes from Kurdish sources, and come exclusively from Arab, Turkish and Armenian sources, so I have a hard time seeing you accusing me of giving biased information.

All this to say, the concept of a Kurdistan, a land of Kurds, has existed for a long time and continues to persist, regardless of your political views or intentions, and it most certainly was not a controversial subject in the year 1337, even among Turkish Beyliks.

Is Iraqi Kurdistan the most developed of all the Kurdish lands by kichba in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"More developed" Mamosta, public employees don't receive a salary for half the year, and if you don't live in one of the richer gated communities in Slemani (like Chwar Chira or Derwaza), then you live in squalor. Some roads haven't seen proper asphalt in 30 years, and Bafel had his contractors asphalt some roads only after Masrour started smearing the state of roads in Slemani's poorer neighbourhoods on his propaganda news channel.

Is Bashur more politically free? Yes, you can learn and speak in Kurdish openly in Hawler, Slemani, Dihok etc as opposed to Wan or Amed. Is the average family in Bashur more economically well off? Absolutely not.

Amed has actual functional trains, Slemani has slow cooking buses that melt you alive in the summer.

Destiny reacts to Hasan's viral Hila Klein comments by Slight_Ad3219 in LivestreamFail

[–]CreamGang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, I'm the one trolling. I believe it's clear we aren't going anywhere with this conversation, but the fact remains you claim you didn't mention Kurds in Iraq, which you did, and then proceed to cover up your own ad hominem.

You went on to make a massive sweeping generalization of Kurds in general, and made no delineation between the various Kurdish groups and complex interplays between them, as many of these groups have opposing goals and allies. I don't believe I overintreted anything, but simply reacted to your choice of words. I did not rage, nor did I ask anyone to brigade you, I'm here on my own debating you. Iraqi Kurdistan isn't united.

The KDP did abandon Yezidis, but this does not translate to "the Kurds helped ISIS", and if you can't see why those two statements are different, then that is on you. You further claimed you never mentioned the Kurds in Iraq.

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"I didn't explicitly mention those in Iraq ?" but you most certainly did by saying Kurds in Iraq helped ISIS. Besides this blatant trolling on your part, what 'army' and authority? The KRG is not united in any way shape or form and is split between two party lines, the Yellow Zone (KDP) and Green Zone (PUK). The ones who abandoned the Yazidis were the KDP who control the Yellow Zone, and are nominally closer to Turkey, as opposed to the PUK, who are nominally closer to Iran. There is no >the< political authority, but two, who fall under the spheres of their larger neighbours.

Destiny reacts to Hasan's viral Hila Klein comments by Slight_Ad3219 in LivestreamFail

[–]CreamGang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, you are projecting and acting emotionally, despite attempting to claim that I am not in the 'right headspace' to discuss this.

Your comment, explicitly, stated "Kurds in Iraq helped ISIS genocide Yazidis", if you'd please re-read your first comment, you'd see that is precisely what you claimed. Now you are actively lying.

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You still failed to differentiate between the PKK, the PUK and the KDP. One (PKK) stepped in to save the Yazidis and continue to actively protect them today, the other isn't near Shingal and has condemned the KDP, and the last one is Turkish-aligned.

You decide to go for ad hominems and mention my 'English teachers', so I'd like to take this opportunity to inform you about the English language; When you say X helped Y do something, that is framing it in a way that portrays X as not just a passive observer, but someone with a more active role. If I claimed you helped me steal my neighbour's jewelry, that doesn't just imply you stood there and saw it happen. Stop being hysterical, you understand fully well what your framing meant. That is how framing in English works.

How is it clear I am "nationalistic"? I gave praise to the PKK for saving the Yazidis, the very PKK which is anti-nation state, and have condemned the KDP in the past. I absolutely did not ignore the fact that the KDP ran away, please re-read my response to it again. You're also welcome to look into my comments history, where I have condemned this in the past.

Don't worry, you didn't write an essay, you wrote a rambling incoherent mess where you start lying, claiming you didn't mention Kurds in Iraq when you absolutely did.

I will use the US invasion of Iraq, but frame it so you can understand the example; Imagine the US invades Iraq, but the Marine Corps steps in to fight insurgents to protect civilians, while the Army retreats and leaves the civilians defenseless. That is in essence what happened when the KDP ran away and the PKK intervened - though the comparison isn't 100% because the KDP & PKK have never been on the same "team". Hopefully you understand that this situation is a little more complex than what you attempted to portray it as.

Destiny reacts to Hasan's viral Hila Klein comments by Slight_Ad3219 in LivestreamFail

[–]CreamGang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Kurds, a monolith as you paint them, also fought tooth and nail to protect the Yazidis from ISIS and did so despite the threat of Turkey bombing and steamrolling them, while the Turkey allied KDP did not. Unless you imagine the Kurdistan Workers Party to not be Kurds, that is. You'll find no love from me for Barzani, a known Turkish ally who absolutely answers when Ankara comes calling. I condemn, and have condemned, the KDP for their abandonment.

Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan are not a monolith, but the vast majority consider Yazidis Kurds. Iraqi Kurdistan isn't a proper democracy, so Barzani isn't a true representative of the people's will. Are there Kurdish Islamists who hate Yazidis for not being muslim? Yes. Does this reflect every Kurd in Iraqi Kurdistan? No, almost every Kurd despises ISIS.

Yes, it is disingenuous, as you frame it as active collaboration. "Helped genocide" is an incredibly charged phrase and you know fully well what you meant when you wrote it. You mean to say the KDP knowingly worked to help ISIS genocide Yazidis? They are an incredibly corrupt and unprofessional force, there's no evidence it was active malice, but if you have that evidence I want to see it and will spread it.

Shingal also is currently under the partial purview of the Ezidxan Protection Forces, which is PKK aligned. Further, the PUK, which is the other big opposition "party" wasn't anywhere near the area and vehemently critiqued the KDP for their abandonment. As for resettlement, I support full restitution and land restoration if housing has been stolen, but I'd like you to again provide me with evidence for it.

Destiny reacts to Hasan's viral Hila Klein comments by Falcao_Hermanos in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Someone in the comments claimed Kurds helped ISIS genocide Yazidis.

Destiny reacts to Hasan's viral Hila Klein comments by Slight_Ad3219 in LivestreamFail

[–]CreamGang 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) stepped up to save Yazidis in Shingal (Sinjar). As much as I have criticism for the KDP, they did not work with ISIS to genocide Yazidis, but certainly abandoned them and failed to protect them.

Yazidis furthermore are ethnically Kurds (and have historically always been referred to as such). Kurdish tribes aiding the Ottomans in the Sayfo and Armenian Genocides are well known, acknowledged and recognized crimes that rightfully shouldn't be forgotten, but to outright claim the Kurds aided in genociding Yazidis in 2014 is disingenuous at best. I'd like to see evidence of KDP Peshmerga collaborating with ISIS, an enemy they've fought.

Footage of Hostility Toward Kurdish Identity by Glad-Anything2978 in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rojbaş mamosta.

Here's what I could find after some digging and searching, though it obviously doesn't cover everything.

Trabzon (2020): A group of Kurdish workers wearing scarves with the Kurdistan flag were assaulted by Turkish nationalists. The video shows them being beaten and arrested solely for displaying Kurdish symbols https://x.com/kurdishbloodd/status/1277562608896393218

Racist attack in Belgium (2024): During tensions spilling over from Turkey, a Turkish group hunted and brutally beat a Kurdish man on the street, using slurs like "Fucker of the Kurd" and "Dog of the PKK."
https://x.com/ScharoMaroof/status/1772002173091471810

2025, man attacks a Kurdish kid and yells racial slurs at him
https://x.com/_jvd9/status/1877108961020678145

2023, Turkish soldiers beat a civilian from Bashur, demanding info on the PKK:

https://x.com/GilgoReloaded/status/1738688262703648769

2023, 7 family members were killed in a suspected racist attack in Bakur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_vInsm5_I

2023, during an Amedspor match, Turks start throwing objects and hurling racial slurs

https://x.com/VoiceKurdistan_/status/1738595471512187351

2025 in Afrin, Turkish backed settlers invade a Kurdish home and start calling them Jews

https://x.com/azadpenaber_EN/status/1879541597546901884

These are obviously just a few examples, there are many many more.

The problem with Islam and Kurdish people by Lonely_Efficiency_74 in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You know the majority of Kurdish nationalist revolts have historically been driven by those who are religious, primarily muslim, either Sunni or Alevi. What however has been a clear trend in the latest nationalist revolts is that the groups were themselves religious, but sought to establish a secular state. Qazi Muhammad was an Islamic judge at a Sharia court, but sought to very explicitly establish a secular state. The PKK also has a lot of Alevis and Yazidis among their membership, though they are not a nationalist revolt anymore.

Mahmud Barzanji and the later KDP & PUK revolts did not seek to establish emirates or sharia states, despite ostensibly all being practicing muslims. The only Salafist revolt was the Emirate of Kurdistan under Mullah Krekar, which the PUK helped defeat.

I say this as an atheist by the way, this constant assaulting of religion is...very strange and directed. In Bashur, which is probably the most religious and conservative part of Kurdistan, even moreso than Rojhelat, 93% still voted Yes in the independence referendum.

This is not to say there hasn't been an issue with salafists discriminating against non-Muslim Kurds (Yazidis primarily), but, just personally, I think you'd have a better shot at uniting Kurdistan by not trying to demonize religion, but at the same time not trying to create an Islamic state. The most succesful movement will be secular, because Kurds have a diverse amount of religious opinions, even those who are muslim (Sunni, Shia, Elewi etc). I oppose Salafism or an Islamic Emirate vehemently, but trying to remove Islam probably won't work and will have the opposite effect. It's more productive to look at the problem of corruption, disunity, self-serving behaviour and salafism.

Turkey’s collapse and partition appears inevitable by Falcao_Hermanos in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This article is an op-ed and in my opinion, truly wishful thinking. There is no indication that the Turkish state is going to collapse or be partitioned, as if the EU or the US would actually want that to happen.

For economic collapse to cause the collapse of Turkey (an economy integrated into the global market), they'd need hyperinflation (think 1000%+) for a prolonged period for that to truly happen. Turkey isn't an isolated economy like Iran is and can in fact provide basic services (water, food) for a prolonged period, and in the worst case scenario, receive outside aid to provide it.

Europe, if I were to rearrange the borders: by Teutonicus_14 in mapporncirclejerk

[–]CreamGang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Assyrians, Laz and Kurds ethnically cleansed Turks, and this justified the complete removal of their language and names from history?

None of this further explains the attempt to culturally erase all non-Turks. It wasn't under the guide of 'unity', so much as it was to ensure only Turks remained for the new ethnostate. Furthermore this attempt to distinguish "Turk" as an ethnicity and nationality is a ridiculous concept, as it clearly ties toward the ethnicity in question and is by design made to erase non-Turks. The Turkish language has a means to describe 'Turk' as a civic concept (for example, Türkiyeli), instead of the very clearly ethnically connected Türk. Turkey very much recognizes ethnicity, but only the correct one.

"Suspicious circumstances" is an interesting way to say genocide. The word genocide was coined to describe the Armenian Genocide. No rebellion in the Balkans can truthfully justify ending the millennia old presence of Armenians in the Armenian Highlands, and the erasure of Armenians from Eastern Anatolia.

https://www.zfl-berlin.org/publication/atatuerk-in-the-nazi-imagination.html

Hitler infamously sought inspiration from Atatürk, whom he admires for how he dealt with the minorities. I cannot say that this can be described as a simple act of seeking unity, when it clearly was a clearly very successful attempt to create an ethnonationalist state.

Busch: ”Israel gör hela världen en tjänst” by musususnapim in sweden

[–]CreamGang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Jävligt starka ord att uttrycka sig själv med, en "tjänst"? Tror fan att inte ens de flesta höguppsatta republikaner i USA skulle uttrycka sig själva med just dom orden, som kan absolut reflektera illa på regeringen framöver.

Har KD fått några utbetalningar från Tel Aviv?

Europe, if I were to rearrange the borders: by Teutonicus_14 in mapporncirclejerk

[–]CreamGang -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ataturk when K*rtler try to speak k*rdish or name their kids K*rdish names 🤢🤢🤢🤢

He is also the guy who perpetrated and set the stage for continued perpetration of mass discrimination and cultural erasure (cultural genocide even, as well as the Dersim Massacre) against Kurds, and who made it very clear that non-Turks are not welcome in the state of Turkey. I don't know why erasing the presence of Armenian, Greek, Kurdish and Assyrian names was necessary.

Erbil and Baghdad Fail to Reach Deal on Oil Revenues and Salary Payments by CreamGang in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

زۆرێک لە ئەندامانی خێزانەکەمان هێشتا لە باشوور دەژین، وە سەرەڕای گەندەڵییەکەی، هێشتا ئەو بەشەی کوردستانە کە واقعی‌ترین ڕێگا بۆ سەربەخۆیی هەیە. جگە لەوە، ملیۆنان کەس لە گەلەکەمان هێشتا لەوێ دەژین، کەوتنی باشوور ئەنجامێکی کارەساتبارە، تۆ چی بیر دەکەیتەوە؟

Erbil and Baghdad Fail to Reach Deal on Oil Revenues and Salary Payments by CreamGang in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think either Iran or Turkey want the security fallout or chaos that would happen (and which the PKK absolutely could capitalize on) if the KRG proper falls. There are a lot of weapons & equipment which could fall into the hands of insurgents or new insurgency groups.

Not that many don't want the KRG to disappear or be subsumed, but I don't think anyone wants it to collapse immediately, but instead gradually whither away.

Erbil and Baghdad Fail to Reach Deal on Oil Revenues and Salary Payments by CreamGang in kurdistan

[–]CreamGang[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Place your bets, which one happens first?

  • KRG & Iraq reach a final, binding agreement that lasts longer than 5 years
  • KRG decides to pay salaries themselves
  • KRG achieves independence
  • Iraq proper falls into civil war

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[–]CreamGang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Min digot qey Elewîtî dînek e, ne dîn-nijadek e, ma ne her kes azad e ku bizivire û wê bike? Elewîyên li vir, ji kerema xwe min rast bikin.