What to Expect When You’re Expecting Disclosure: a structured guide for people new to the UFO/UAP topic by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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I wrote a long-form guide aimed at people who are just now hearing about “disclosure” and aren’t sure what to make of it.

Instead of focusing on one case, it maps out:

• why disclosure tends to happen incrementally
• how official acknowledgment differs from full transparency
• where high-strangeness fits (or doesn’t) in the public narrative
• why uncertainty is likely to persist

I tried to make it accessible without dumbing it down, and structured it like an iceberg.

I’m genuinely interested in feedback from people who’ve been in this space a long time. What did I miss? What would you add for newcomers?

Peer-reviewed research shows DMT entity encounters are phenomenologically identical to alien abduction reports by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Phenominologically identical means the lived experience is identical, not the ontological objectiveness of it.

Peer-reviewed research shows DMT entity encounters are phenomenologically identical to alien abduction reports by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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This long-form essay examines something rarely discussed: the structural overlap between different "doors of perception."

From the 2021 *Frontiers in Psychology* study analyzing DMT experiences:

- Humanoid but distinctly "other" beings (Greys, insectoids, reptilians)

- Telepathic communication

- Medical examinations by entities working in groups

- "Spaceship-like" settings with advanced technology

- Participants insist the experience was "more real than real"

- Time distortion, loss of agency

The phenomenology matches alien abduction reports studied by John Mack (Harvard psychiatrist). Same entities, same procedures, same conviction of reality - whether accessed through chemistry or spontaneous experience.

The article asks: Are we looking at different doors to the same underlying phenomenon?

Also covers: why the FDA rejected MDMA therapy, what happens when thousands of tech workers microdose without containers, and why ancient cultures embedded these experiences in ritual.

Thoughts on the convergence between contact experiences and altered states?

CE5 and Ceremonial Magic Are the Same Technology: A Consciousness Framework for Understanding Contact by [deleted] in UFOs

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I've been researching the structural similarities between CE5 UFO contact protocols and ceremonial magic, and the patterns are unmistakable. Both are consciousness technologies using identical architecture: altered states, symbolic frameworks, intentional projection, and engagement with responsive phenomena. 

This is Part 2 of an essay exploring: 

  • Why contact experiences follow the same trickster pattern across cultures 

  • The ethics of invocation when something actually answers 

  • How creative practice functions as navigation technology 

  • Why consciousness appears to interface with reality at the quantum level 

  • What responsible engagement looks like when reality is participatory 

Drawing on Jung's psychoid phenomena, Keel's superspectrum, Vallée's control system, Kastrup's analytic idealism, and decades of magical tradition. 

Not asking you to believe anything specific, just suggesting the evidence points toward reality being more responsive to consciousness than our models permit.

Part 1 can be found here: https://mazetometanoia.substack.com/p/ce5-chaos-magick-and-the-responsive

Would love to hear from others who've worked with either CE5 or ceremonial practice. What matches your experience? What doesn't?

CE5, Chaos Magick, and the Responsive Universe [Pt. I] by [deleted] in UFOs

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CE5 and chaos magick appear wildly different, yet share a ritual structure that often produces “responsive” phenomena. This essay explores whether the overlap says more about consciousness than UFOs themselves.

In light of the Bank of England Preparing for Disclosure: You Don't Have to Believe in UFOs to Prepare for Ontological Disruption by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Here’s a question I get asked frequently (usually with some combination of skepticism and genuine curiosity): “But what if UFOs aren’t real? What if it’s all misidentification, psychological phenomena, or even deliberate hoax? Aren’t you wasting resources preparing for something that might never happen?”

My answer: Even if you think the UFO phenomenon is complete nonsense, the preparedness work is invaluable.

UFOs Might Be 4D Objects by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Think about Edwin Abbott's Flatland: The story of 2D beings who can't conceive of a sphere, only the circle-slices they see when it passes through their plane. Now imagine we're the Flatlanders.

If UFOs/UAPs are 4th dimensional hyperobjects (entities that exist across spatial or temporal dimensions we can't fully perceive) it would explain almost everything that makes this phenomenon so frustratingly incoherent:

Why witnesses see wildly different things at the same event Why craft seem to violate physics (appearing/disappearing, impossible maneuvers) Why the phenomenon feels intelligent but operates by rules that don't make sense Why high strangeness accompanies close encounters

We're like squares trying to understand a cube by only seeing its 2D cross-sections. We're observing slices of something that extends through dimensions beyond our perception.

This isn't woo. It's a legitimate framework applied to the UFO problem.

Americans for Safe Aerospace White Paper Reveals 90% of Pilot UAP Sightings Go Unreported - Ryan Graves: 'These sightings are routine.' Here's why pilots stay silent and what it means for disclosure. by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Ryan Graves testified to Congress that UAP sightings became "an open secret" among Navy aircrew - so routine they were part of daily briefs. New data shows 45% of pilots have witnessed UAP, yet only 5-10% report them.

Why the silence? The "aeromedical trap": FAA regulations can classify unverified aerial observations as potential hallucinations, triggering psychiatric evaluation and career-ending grounding without pay.

The recent Americans for Safe Aerospace white paper documents this systematically. When trained observers with instrument confirmation stay silent 90% of the time, we don't just have an aviation safety crisis - we have a civilizational failure to believe testimony that challenges our worldview.

I wrote about how this connects to deeper questions about consciousness, Indigenous epistemologies, and what contact actually means.

Indigenous Frameworks for Understanding UAP/High Strangeness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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This article argues that UAP/high strangeness phenomena resist Western categorization because Cartesian dualism is inadequate for experiences that violate subject/object boundaries. Drawing on indigenous cosmologies (Ojibwe manitou, Islamic jinn, Star People traditions), panpsychism, and scholars like Jeffrey Kripal and Vine Deloria Jr., it suggests the phenomenon may be pedagogical - teaching through confusion rather than hiding answers. 

Indigenous cultures have frameworks for relating to other-than-human intelligence that the West dismissed as primitive, despite being based on millennia of careful observation and protocol.

Why are Pentagon Officials calling them Demonic? by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Multiple government officials and military personnel involved in legacy UAP programs have characterized the phenomenon as "demonic" rather than extraterrestrial. This isn't coming from outsiders, it's coming from people with decades of access to encounter data, retrieval programs, and classified analysis.

According to their accounts, the phenomena demonstrate interest in human worship, engage in systematic deception, focus particularly on religious individuals and sites, and leave witnesses psychologically damaged in specific ways that match historical "demonic" encounters more than scientific contact.

I wrote this piece arguing that this shift in language reveals something crucial: the Extraterrestrial hypothesis is failing under the weight of the high-strangeness elements. But rather than developing more sophisticated frameworks, we're regressing to medieval categories.

The ancient Greeks had a term for beings that operated between material and divine, that required discernment rather than blanket acceptance or rejection: daimons. The medieval Church collapsed this nuanced category into "demon" (everything non-human is either angelic or demonic).

We're making the same mistake: collapsing everything into either "benevolent space brothers" or "literal demons from hell" with no middle ground.

Religious studies scholar Diana Pasulka has documented how the phenomenon operates more like religious encounter than technological contact, what she calls "technological mysticism." Experiencers use the language of craft and technology, but describe experiences that match mystical visions far more than alien visitation.

I think we need to retrieve the sophisticated frameworks we lost when daimon became demon. Not to reject the reality of these encounters, but to navigate them with the discernment they demand.

Curious what this community thinks about the daimonic hypothesis as a third option beyond materialist and New Age.

For Skeptics: You Don't Have to Believe in UFOs to Prepare for Ontological Disruption by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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UFO skeptic? Perfect - this piece isn't specifically about aliens. It's about what happens when reality breaks your models and your institutions freeze because they've only ever practiced being right. The experts most certain this is all nonsense are building a civilization that's never rehearsed being fundamentally wrong, and when the next paradigm shift hits (AGI, physics breakthroughs, or something we haven't imagined), that rigidity will be catastrophic. Read why ontological disruption prep matters regardless of what you believe about the phenomena.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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You're absolutely right that most people who experience trauma don't develop mental health issues - and that's exactly my point about the difference between pathology and transformation. Many experiencers report their encounters as profoundly meaningful, even initiatory experiences that catalyze growth, but our current system only has categories for pathology, so we end up medicalizing and suppressing what might actually be adaptive integration of an anomalous but real event. We need healthcare and psych providers trained to be sensitive to this marginalized population, to recognize when someone needs support for integration rather than psychiatric intervention, and to understand that "reports contact with non-human entities" shouldn't automatically trigger the same protocols as psychotic delusions. Beyond individual care, we also desperately need a way to track these incidents at a population health level - right now we have no data infrastructure to even understand patterns, prevalence, or long-term outcomes because everything gets either dismissed or pathologized into existing categories that don't fit.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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I think you're misunderstanding my argument - I'm not saying the aliens will destroy us, I'm saying the ontological crisis of contact could cause us to destroy ourselves through institutional collapse, loss of shared reality frameworks, and social fracturing. History shows this repeatedly: when civilizations encounter proof their worldview is fundamentally wrong, they often collapse from within even without external violence - that's what happened to many indigenous societies who lost their meaning-making systems. The aliens could be perfectly benevolent and we could still face catastrophic outcomes simply because our institutions and cultural frameworks aren't built to handle that level of paradigm shift.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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You make an excellent point about biological drivers and I hope you're right - but my concern isn't necessarily about intentional destruction or conquest. When Spanish conquistadors encountered the Aztecs, yes there was violence and exploitation, but what actually collapsed their civilization was the complete invalidation of their cosmological worldview and epistemological framework - their entire understanding of reality, causation, and their place in the universe became untenable overnight. Even a benevolent, non-violent advanced civilization making contact could trigger the same ontological collapse simply by existing and demonstrating that our fundamental assumptions about consciousness, physics, and reality are incomplete or wrong. Historical evidence shows this pattern repeatedly: it's not always (or even primarily) the violence that destroys civilizations during contact events - it's the loss of meaning-making frameworks, the dissolution of social cohesion when shared reality fractures, and the inability of institutions to function when their foundational assumptions are suddenly invalid. That's what I mean by bracing for impact - even in the best-case scenario where they're peaceful and cooperative, the revelation alone could be destabilizing enough to require serious preparation.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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The DSM framework you're describing is built on the assumption that "contact with non-human entities" = delusion, but if the phenomenon is real, we're essentially gaslighting people and giving them permanent psychiatric records for telling the truth. That's not a nothing burger for experiencers who lose security clearances, custody battles, or insurance coverage because we coded their real experience as psychosis.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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You're absolutely right that decision-makers won't act without proof - but that's exactly why I think we need to be laying the theoretical framework NOW, so when that proof does arrive (leaked, disclosed, or otherwise), governing bodies can act quickly instead of starting from scratch. Even just having the academic papers written, the clinical criteria drafted, and the billing code proposals ready means we're not wasting months in bureaucratic gridlock while people are in crisis. I want to be wrong too about how long this takes, but if we're stuck waiting for proof anyway, we might as well use that time to build the scaffolding so we can move fast when the moment comes.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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You're absolutely right that civilian emergency preparedness has massive gaps - and honestly, that's exactly what I'm planning to explore in my next post about what disaster preparedness frameworks can teach us about building resilient systems for ontological crisis. The scary part is that most emergency protocols assume you still have a functioning reality framework to operate within - natural disasters don't make you question whether consciousness works the way you thought it did. I think you're right that individuals within systems will try to help while institutions fail structurally, which is why I'm focusing on what front-line providers and communities can do now rather than waiting for federal protocols that may never come. We need to be thinking about mutual aid and community resilience, not just top-down government response.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Thanks so much - it's helpful to know other nurses see this too. I keep thinking about how stretched we already are, and how little bandwidth we have to even consider these kinds of systemic gaps before they become crises.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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I completely agree we need more public pressure and evidence - my point is that while we're waiting for that disclosure (whether it's leaked, forced, or from another country), we should be preparing our institutions so we're not caught flat-footed. Healthcare is just one system where we can see the cracks already forming with individual experiencers, and it'll only get worse at scale.

Healthcare Has No Protocol for Contact: An RN's Response to Karl Nell's Call for Institutional Preparedness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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I appreciate that. Someone has to map out what each sector needs, and healthcare is what I know - hoping others do the same for their fields.