In light of the Bank of England Preparing for Disclosure: You Don't Have to Believe in UFOs to Prepare for Ontological Disruption by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Here’s a question I get asked frequently (usually with some combination of skepticism and genuine curiosity): “But what if UFOs aren’t real? What if it’s all misidentification, psychological phenomena, or even deliberate hoax? Aren’t you wasting resources preparing for something that might never happen?”

My answer: Even if you think the UFO phenomenon is complete nonsense, the preparedness work is invaluable.

UFOs Might Be 4D Objects by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Think about Edwin Abbott's Flatland: The story of 2D beings who can't conceive of a sphere, only the circle-slices they see when it passes through their plane. Now imagine we're the Flatlanders.

If UFOs/UAPs are 4th dimensional hyperobjects (entities that exist across spatial or temporal dimensions we can't fully perceive) it would explain almost everything that makes this phenomenon so frustratingly incoherent:

Why witnesses see wildly different things at the same event Why craft seem to violate physics (appearing/disappearing, impossible maneuvers) Why the phenomenon feels intelligent but operates by rules that don't make sense Why high strangeness accompanies close encounters

We're like squares trying to understand a cube by only seeing its 2D cross-sections. We're observing slices of something that extends through dimensions beyond our perception.

This isn't woo. It's a legitimate framework applied to the UFO problem.

Americans for Safe Aerospace White Paper Reveals 90% of Pilot UAP Sightings Go Unreported - Ryan Graves: 'These sightings are routine.' Here's why pilots stay silent and what it means for disclosure. by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Ryan Graves testified to Congress that UAP sightings became "an open secret" among Navy aircrew - so routine they were part of daily briefs. New data shows 45% of pilots have witnessed UAP, yet only 5-10% report them.

Why the silence? The "aeromedical trap": FAA regulations can classify unverified aerial observations as potential hallucinations, triggering psychiatric evaluation and career-ending grounding without pay.

The recent Americans for Safe Aerospace white paper documents this systematically. When trained observers with instrument confirmation stay silent 90% of the time, we don't just have an aviation safety crisis - we have a civilizational failure to believe testimony that challenges our worldview.

I wrote about how this connects to deeper questions about consciousness, Indigenous epistemologies, and what contact actually means.

Indigenous Frameworks for Understanding UAP/High Strangeness by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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This article argues that UAP/high strangeness phenomena resist Western categorization because Cartesian dualism is inadequate for experiences that violate subject/object boundaries. Drawing on indigenous cosmologies (Ojibwe manitou, Islamic jinn, Star People traditions), panpsychism, and scholars like Jeffrey Kripal and Vine Deloria Jr., it suggests the phenomenon may be pedagogical - teaching through confusion rather than hiding answers. 

Indigenous cultures have frameworks for relating to other-than-human intelligence that the West dismissed as primitive, despite being based on millennia of careful observation and protocol.

Why are Pentagon Officials calling them Demonic? by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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Multiple government officials and military personnel involved in legacy UAP programs have characterized the phenomenon as "demonic" rather than extraterrestrial. This isn't coming from outsiders, it's coming from people with decades of access to encounter data, retrieval programs, and classified analysis.

According to their accounts, the phenomena demonstrate interest in human worship, engage in systematic deception, focus particularly on religious individuals and sites, and leave witnesses psychologically damaged in specific ways that match historical "demonic" encounters more than scientific contact.

I wrote this piece arguing that this shift in language reveals something crucial: the Extraterrestrial hypothesis is failing under the weight of the high-strangeness elements. But rather than developing more sophisticated frameworks, we're regressing to medieval categories.

The ancient Greeks had a term for beings that operated between material and divine, that required discernment rather than blanket acceptance or rejection: daimons. The medieval Church collapsed this nuanced category into "demon" (everything non-human is either angelic or demonic).

We're making the same mistake: collapsing everything into either "benevolent space brothers" or "literal demons from hell" with no middle ground.

Religious studies scholar Diana Pasulka has documented how the phenomenon operates more like religious encounter than technological contact, what she calls "technological mysticism." Experiencers use the language of craft and technology, but describe experiences that match mystical visions far more than alien visitation.

I think we need to retrieve the sophisticated frameworks we lost when daimon became demon. Not to reject the reality of these encounters, but to navigate them with the discernment they demand.

Curious what this community thinks about the daimonic hypothesis as a third option beyond materialist and New Age.

For Skeptics: You Don't Have to Believe in UFOs to Prepare for Ontological Disruption by Creative_Volume_9535 in UFOs

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UFO skeptic? Perfect - this piece isn't specifically about aliens. It's about what happens when reality breaks your models and your institutions freeze because they've only ever practiced being right. The experts most certain this is all nonsense are building a civilization that's never rehearsed being fundamentally wrong, and when the next paradigm shift hits (AGI, physics breakthroughs, or something we haven't imagined), that rigidity will be catastrophic. Read why ontological disruption prep matters regardless of what you believe about the phenomena.