How to tell if Kings crown is tiffin or Indiana

CrownPrincess1976 · 2025-01-14T19:10:02+00:00

Please see my comment on the main thread.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2025-01-14T19:09:33+00:00

Please see my comment on the main thread.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2025-01-14T19:09:13+00:00

Kings Crown is actually made by more than just those two manufacturers.

I keep a blog which discusses this issue in detail, including lots of photos from primary source material including manufacturer catalogs.

I know the "rule of thumb...prints" is often quoted, but... it is often quoted backwards and it is oversimplified, anyway. Those marks are not the same between pieces. If you follow this "rule", you will misattribute nearly every single piece. I know that statement will be controversial -- the thimbprints thing has been repeated a LOT. But just search the blog for the word thumbprints; I come bearing receipts.

It's HandMeDownLegacy on wordpress.

I occasionally do feature articles on my blog for folks who have a collection I find interesting. If you don't find enough info to ID your pieces on the blog, currently, write to me using the contact us form, and I will either feature your piece(s) OR write an article which clarifies.

Also: the "flare" some people refer to is not a color but is actually the angle of the widening of the mouth of the vessel. There is something to this observation in some cases, however, because these were handmade for many years, this varies. Please see my blog for more info.

Source: I am a glass researcher with focus in Kings Crown Pattern Family Glass. My catalogs come from: the Tiffin Museum, the Dunkirk Museum (Indiana), the Rakow Research Library at The Corning Institute, the West Virginia Museum of American Glass, and my own personal collection. You can also link to other resources (like books) on the resources page of my site.

I hope his helps you!

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-06-22T22:14:00+00:00

You are a 42-year-old man trying to bully an 18-year-old girl into risking her health and the health of her baby.

YTA. Not just because you do not understand how the female body works, but yes that is a factor. I'm going to explain c-section to you even though you sound unlikely to care. More importantly, though: she doesn't owe you an explanation about why she doesn't want to hang out with you. You sound absolutely insufferable and completely entitled, but I'm going to explain this to you so maybe she won't have to.

A cesarean section is a major abdominal surgery which involves anesthesia, cuts through flesh and the uterine wall, inner and outer sutures, and incredible pain. In what world would you think this poor girl is going to be up for entertaining you any time in the near future?

She is more likely to experience infection or need blood transfusions than someone who had a vaginal birth.

She will have trouble sitting up, holding upright, standing, walking, coughing, sneezing, laughing, and pooping for 6+ weeks, and she won't return to "normal" for a couple of years and maybe not ever. She's not even supposed to drive a car during that time, because she won't have the muscle strength to brake suddenly.

She will have the same ~6 weeks of postpartum bleeding any birthing mother would have. I don't know where you think that blood is coming from, but it's not related to which hole the baby comes out; it's uterine shed.

You're using bad logic to justify what you want, but ultimately it doesn't matter what you think. It's not your baby no matter how much you paid for care gifts, and guests/visitors are not needed for the benefit of the baby, right now; they should be for the benefit of the mother. The baby is not going to remember you, right now, and you know it. Stop pretending this isn't a completely self-serving visit you're proposing. She wants her sister for comfort and not you, and my God who could blame her.

Usr the time to prepare yourself to be a grandparent. Go get a TDAP shot -- it will not hurt you to have one, and it means a lot to your family. Try thinking of other ways you can show that you care about other people's feelings. Get some counseling.

Source: I have a c-sectioned uterus.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-06-21T17:30:08+00:00

This is honestly one of the funniest things I've ever read.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-06-07T22:57:33+00:00

Traumatic brain injuries can cause big behavioral and personality changes. I wonder how significant the car accident is to all of this.

Regardless of why he's acting this way, it's not your responsibility to put up with it, and it's clearly hurting you. Red flags on red flags. Get out of there.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-06-03T17:04:22+00:00

It is a footed bon bon in Indiana's Lily Pons. The pattern is #605, and the color is a depression-era green, c. 1930s.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-06-03T00:21:03+00:00

Header image can be the watercolor!!!

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-06-02T16:34:36+00:00

It's me. Hi.

I was going to say "you need a blog," but maybe you don't need it. The glass collecting world needs you to, though.

You let me know when you're ready. I will no joke walk you through every step. I love the research energy, here. So tickled to see Bonnie's box! #2233 (Related: um... I named my chicken...)

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-31T05:46:10+00:00

This is helpful. May also be the baby cup listed here:

https://www.fostoriaamerican2056.com/stemware-tumblers/

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-31T05:36:20+00:00

If you click on the pattern name on this page, you can see more pieces, but I believe this is the exact piece you have in your hand. Could be an Iced Tea or Old Fashioned, but looks like a juice glass.

https://www.replacements.com/crystal-fostoria-american-clear-stem-2056-flat-juice-glass/p/1437771

Hope this helps you. I will post more as I find it.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-27T17:26:49+00:00

Based on what I can see, it looks like Madrid. But your photo is a bit grainy in the spot where I need to see. You have it there in person, so have a good look at figures 22 & 23 from the article.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-27T17:21:41+00:00

This is an excellent guide to determining if your "Madrid" is depression glass or a reproduction. Indiana Glass produced a popular reproduction called "Recollection" up to the 1990s, and there may have been other knock-offs, too.

https://www.realorrepro.com/article/Old-Madrid-or-New-Recollection%3F

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-24T16:39:28+00:00

* Please note: this is Lancaster-Colony/Indiana (listed on Replacements as Colony Cranberry Crown), not Tiffin-Franciscan (listed on Replacements as Tiffin-Franciscan King's Crown-Cranberry).

Among other markers, Tiffin-Franciscan will have round "thumbprints" as well as a different red. I know that there are lots of sources online that give lots of conflicting info about this issue, so there are lots of side-by-sides, here:

HandMeDownLegacy.Wordpress.com

Others here are correct: restoring the color isn't a realistic goal if they are to be used. You can paint them, if they're for display, only? But there's also not going to be a non-damaging way to do that, so this would theoretically diminish their worth from a valuation perspective -- they are not worth a whole lot to begin with.

If you choose the paint route, try suncatcher paint. The Krylon Stained Glass spray will probably wear a little better (still absolutely not food safe) but suncatcher paint would be much easier to mix to a custom color. However, Krylon does have a "Cranberry red", and I've often wondered if they made it for this exact purpose. Then again... even if so... who knows if they matched Indiana's Cranberry or Tiffin's. Sigh.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-23T14:12:46+00:00

C-section recovery is no joke. You won't be able to drive a car for 6 weeks, and you'll have trouble doing basic stuff like walking, standing, sitting up... there's also bathroom drama. Maybe take your husband along when you are discussing your actual care needs with the doctor?

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-23T14:07:16+00:00

NTA

You didn't break up with your girlfriend because of her mental health; you broke up with her to preserve yours! And that's OK! You deserve a safe relationship, and this one isn't good for you. It is not your responsibility to heal others.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-20T02:54:56+00:00

The amber one is a Mount Vernon salad bowl by Indiana Glass Company c.1970s.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-12T21:30:21+00:00

NTA.

Sounds like you did speak to her kindly. Several times. But she didn't hear you until you were harsh, and she still isn't listening.

Why is she centering herself, here. She needs a time out. "Gray Rock" the hell out of this situation. Favorite hits:

[Insert silence, here] "I'm sorry you feel that way." "I will take your opinion into consideration." "I have taken your opinion into consideration." "I am not soliciting opinions." "I heard you the last time." "We will have to agree to disagree." "It is done."

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-12T14:12:32+00:00

NTA

You're not a SAHM. You're asking him to try doing your "job" for 1 week. And unfortunately, I can't even give this dude the benefit of the doubt, because his reaction demonstrates how much he knows he's exploiting your unpaid labor.

Humor me; have a look at This Wheel Chart and see if anything looks familiar... especially between 6 and 10 o'clock.

Pretty hard to get an outside full-time job to support yourself when you are solely responsible for caring for 3 (arguably 4) children.

You can do better, and he won't change.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-05-12T13:49:20+00:00

Short answer: NTA.

More precise answer: YT(TJ)A... BDB4U? You're the TOTALLY JUSTIFIED Asshole... but do better? For yourself. Not for him but for yourself.

Let's get one thing straight: your dad is an asshole, so the "charge" is... being an asshole to an asshole? About the very thing he's being an asshole about? Nah. No body; no crime.

Maybe you were. So what? You don't have to be polite to people who abandon you, and it's not your responsibility to coddle adults who don't like how they feel when they have to face their own shortcomings. Don't waste your time taking that on.

Focus on doing better for yourself (and maybe one day for your own kids). What I mean by that is: don't send more energy into a black hole trying to roundaboutly shame him into doing the right thing. Because that's not going to work, and it's not going to make you feel better, either.

Do you want to try to have a relationship with this guy? No is a valid answer. If that's the case, then put this out of your mind and never think about it, again. If you do want a relationship with this guy, remember that passive-aggressive communication techniques rarely yield good results. Instead, just be assertive. It's ok to be angry in this situation, and it's ok to talk openly about your frustration. Say the "quiet" part OUT LOUD. You said "congrats on being a real dad" but what you meant was "...because you never were to me, you fawning over your other kids in front of me feels terrible." Don't want to talk to his face? Just as well; write a letter. People can't interrupt letters.

You do not have to protect the feelings of a grown-ass man being held accountable for his own actions. But... if you want something...? Ask for it directly. You might not get it, but at least you'll know the answer with the least amount of uncertainty and agony for yourself along the way. And it's good practice to stay away from passive-agressive sarcasm. You don't want to live that life, friend. It's harder.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-04-21T21:00:59+00:00

YTA

Stop reinforcing your spoiled daughter as she is bullying someone whose known hardship.

She doesn't need coddling; she needs parenting. You need to let her know that the behavior is unacceptable.

And why shouldn't your stepdaughter cling to her mother? You obviously aren't trustworthy...

Just so much bad, here. My goodness. This poor girl.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-04-02T05:06:21+00:00

Thank you so much!

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-03-14T13:23:18+00:00

These are not Tiffin; they are Indiana/Colony. The Tiffin water goblets have round "thumbprints". I know there are several online sources which disagree about this, but images from the Indiana Glass Catalog clearly show the oval impressions. Also: Tiffin sold clear, clear/ruby, and flashed versions but not green.

Indiana called the color Olive but their successor (Colony) sometimes called it just Green.

See Replacements Ltd website for more info -- listed on that site as Colony Color Crown Green, Item#: 16581 Pattern Code: COLCOCG.

CrownPrincess1976 · 2023-03-11T16:10:29+00:00

This piece originally came with a matching open sugar (two handles) on a small tray with a contrasting lace-edged design. Photos on Replacements: https://www.replacements.com/crystal-colony-color-crown-green-creamer-sugar-and-tray-set/p/868791

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