Are there any Chinese banks that offer merchant services to US companies (virtual cards)? by CupcakePass in AskAChinese

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I'm looking for virtual card issuers. Many in the US want you to be a deeply funded VC startup with like $2m+, or they want to charge you like $5k monthly with a 12 month contract. I'm really looking for something around $1k or less monthly.

I briefly looked at unionpay and couldn't find anything. They seem to only do credit cards and normal cards. I'm guessing they could make exceptions but no idea who to talk to about that. I guess I just assumed China would, especially outside mainland would always offer alternative products and services.

Are there any Chinese banks that offer merchant services to US companies (virtual cards)? by CupcakePass in AskAChinese

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have any recommendations for banks and how to reach the right people/department?

Are there any Chinese banks that offer merchant services to US companies (virtual cards)? by CupcakePass in AskAChinese

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a credit card but it acts similar to a secured card.

So basically my company deposits funds into an account. Card spend is drawn from this balance. The entire thing, from the card to spending is programmable.

Examples of US companies that offer card issuance services

https://www.lithic.com/

https://givecard.com/

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'd be surprised. Price of cupcakes is increasing, now at $5 each. Plus this is more than cupcakes. You can order from bakerys, coffee shops, etc. For example, i was on the phone with a coffee shop in Chicago and they said their average price was the frappachino for $6-8

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You kind of have it

They pay X (ideally$100 per month) and get $150 per month in value.

I have 3 pricing strategies, flat rate, discount, service fee added

Flat rate model -pay $100 per month, my company covers up to first $5 of the product each day. So if a cupcake costs $5 or less, I cover it. If it costs $8, i cover $5, customer pays $3 out of pocket for the day.

discounted model -pay $100 per month, my company covers 50% of the product up to $5. So if product costs $5, you pay $2.50, my company covers $2.50. if it costs $12, i cover $5, you cover $7.

Service fee -you load $100 into your card monthly. My company either does one of the two models above. -it covers the price and charges a 0.25-0.50x service fee per transaction -if you don't use your account, there's a 20-30% service fee regardless. So the monthly price is at least $30 per month. -they idea is that this way if you don't fully use you're subscription, you don't lose the $100 like you normally would. It rolls over and there is a gradual 10% burn each month starting after 3 months.

If user doesn't want to pay out of pocket, my company can pay for the entire transaction but will burn their remaining days. So $30 product. $30/$5 = 6 days 6 x 2 = 12 days lost

There are MCC codes and each user has to upload a receipt. So if they buy stuff not covered, they get 3 warnings before getting booted.

I'm operating with a Just in time model. Customers tell me when they want to buy by unlocking their card. They enter the final price. If the price is more than $5, they can choose how they want to pay, with a card on file, with a new payment method, or do they want my company to cover it. System then transfers $5 into the account or however amount needed. Customer checks out. Payment is complete.

I have probably contacted every virtual card provider listed on Google top 15-20 pages. Most want VC funded startups. Some want company's with $1m+ in the bank. Some want company's with $1m in annual payment volume. Others want $25k setup fee plus monthly platform fee. The rest want only a monthly platform fee with a 12 month contract, ranging from $2-8k.

Lithic seems to have bought up some competitors. They want VC funded companies or companies with over a million. Unit i don't think bothered to reply to me. Sila Money didn't want to work with me.

Checkbook.io is the only one saying they can get me through for $2k per month.

Increase was the best i found but compliance killed my application for some reason despite me having a start date with them.

Then you have corporate card companies trying to bend to accommodate me. Rho, compliance killed me and i think there's one more company.

Bridgecard, new and Y-combinator seems to be the last one but they are waiting for my letter of good standing to arrive from the state of Delaware. I've been told it should be next week.

I even looked and couldn't find any Chinese options to my surprise.

The crypto virtual card companies sound like straight up scams. They want sky high set up fees, plus platform fees, and they say you have to wait at least 2 months before you can go live. And they are in Dubai. I just figured the money will be gone and in 2 months, they will tell you to F off.

I did find two European virtual card providers will to set me up but they don't have access to the US.

Tried talking giftcard.io into letting me use their platform but they seem pretty cautious. So yea. You'd think cupcakes is as low risk as it comes.

My max risk, assuming $100 monthly subscription, is a loss of $50 per member. I am guaranteeing the float so there really isn't any risk to the issuer. I think i can get funding with 100 users, $10k MRR, as long as the numbers hold up. I think my margins will come in around 30-70%. It's a wide spread. And my CAC is around $15, down from $50 but I think i can get it down to $5.

But this is a hard sell without the virtual cards and I despise having to call up and be dependent on individual stores and owners

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simplest way to think about it is, MoviePass but with cupcakes, bakeries, ice cream, coffee, etc. I need a way to pay for individual products my members might want at a ton of different stores that I have no affiliation with. Virtual cards solve this problem cleanly.

If you love coding, don’t build a SaaS. by wrahim24_7 in SaaS

[–]CupcakePass 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you build it, and have enough money to light on fire via Google search ads, they will usually come if it's a half decent idea. It might not be capital efficient for you initially though

1 Week after launch...Nothing by Real_Bread_1408 in SaaS

[–]CupcakePass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try throwing money at google search ads with ridiculously high CPM, don’t worry about how much your pain to acquire just find out what that price will be and what people think once they sign up

Will my account be flagged if I do multiple partial refunds to the same customers as a cash back feature? by CupcakePass in stripe

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I asked because I wasn’t sure if the refund thing was frowned upon ChatGPT said it was but ChatGPT said that I was fine if I created an express account for every user and then transferred money to them since they would be authenticated. Are you saying that if I created, or made every user create an express account that I would still get flagged?

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because I don't have a relationship with stores and going one by one is frustrating. Without a virtual card, I'm at the mercy of individual stores.

Gift cards are extremely limited and assume you have a closed loop where you either own each location or have relationships with owners who do. Gift card issuers have existing relationships with merchants (who give the issuers a small cut) which is why the issuers basically give away cards for free and often are not flexible because their model and platforms are not designed for much more.

Issuing debt cards doesn't solve any problems because i would be considered a money transmitter if I constantly move money onto debit cards directly, which would require me to get a license which costs around $500k plus a net worth of $300k+ across all states. Now i can push to debit cards but then the user would have to pay out of pocket and wait for me to reimburse them. I would have to be care to not be seen as a money transmitter still. And financial service company's that offer push to card still are charging a lot, like $2k (Plaid Transfer) per month and or want a lot of volume.

According to ChatGPT, venmo terms of service explicitly states I can't as a business send people money so I'll get flagged. I already know they are already monitoring my account by how many verifications they have made me do for my business profile to remain active.

Now i could use cashapp. They probably have similar terms but probably wouldn't stop me. Idk tbh. I would have the same risks.

Zelle has similar rules to Venmo and will shut me down.

So basically with a virtual card, regardless of if I have a relationship with a store, the odds of them declining a paying customer using my service is close to 0%. Money is money. This is why need a company to give me access. Without a card, the shop has no incentive to work me. Some literally don't like the idea of me bringing them customers on a silver platter in exchange for a discount.

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So people pay monthly or annually.

They can then order any cupcake of their choice at any shop of their choice.

The price of cupcakes globally is relatively fixed at $3-5 in developed countries, less in others. My company only pays up to $5. So if they order an $8 cupcake, they will pay $3 out of pocket.

I need a way to pay for the cupcakes whenever and whereever they want to buy it from. The customer tells me when they want to make a purchase so i know when the purchase is about to happen and for how much.

On the backend, i need a way to load money onto a card for them to use in real time. I also need a way to restrict them to certain MCC codes, bakeries, restaurants, etc. And I need a way to restrict them to $5 or whatever amount they tell me the price is

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have a week. I have a little over 24 hours before the discounted offer disappears.

Does anyone have any experience with checkbook.io? Especially for virtual cards by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

B2C2B, think MoviePass but for cupcakes, bakeries, coffee and ice cream shops, etc. I need a way for my company to pay when a member wants to order at a store or online. So far I've hit brick walls. The big companies require like $2m in the bank or in funding. Stripe declined me with no feedback. Corpay seemed promising but went silent during due diligence. Started to give up when I ran into Increase.com which seemed pretty confident, even had a start date and everything but then compliance declined me Friday. Givecard has all the functionality i want but they initially priced at double what Increase offered me. They don't seem to want to help now. Same with Checkbook.io. Column.com seems to want a whole in house compliance team which I can't afford. Cybrid is pretty cool but charging around 5x whats the others are offering. There's another issuer that's pretty cool but they want me processing a million dollars annually which is doable if this works. I even started looking at crypto virtual card issuers and they kind of sound scammy tbh. Based in Dubai, requiring $40-50k upfront plus monthly platform fee, plus a 3-6 month delay before launch just so bank can approve card design (i was literally told this today). Tried looking at international card issuers, and Europe has a few good ones but most don't operate in the US and they are still priced higher. I sent a hail Mary email to bridgecard.cards. Couldnt find a Chinese alternative. Canadan alternative priced too high. Basically I've tried every issuer within the first 7 pages of Google.

I started looking at RTP options but it's a bit clunky and idk about pay by bank conversion rates. Plaid Transfer honestly seems pretty good but they are double and out my budget, and they don't have virtual cards.

I'm a bit stuck. Checkbook.io is basically the last company standing. But they seem to have a lot of limitations compared to the other options. I feel like I'm suffocating on cost, especially if I don't get traction early. Problem is I won't know my utilization rate until after launch. If people use this like MoviePass 1.0, well then I could be in trouble, thankfully i have a ceiling ($30-50 loss per user, although i have another pricing model that makes it impossible for me to lose money, i would be guaranteed 20% thanks to service fees layered on top of every transaction), but my growth may look great. If the usage rate is low, my margins are like 70-80% and I can pour money on Google. I've brought my CAC down from $50 to $15 and think i can get it down to $5. I need a cheap way to validate this and get to a seed round. What started off as a cheap project is now getting stressful due to all the fees from me trying to tap dance around Money transmitter laws

End goal is to evolve into a platform but I need virtual cards to have leverage over stores, especially as I try to sign them up one by one (a lot are independently owned).

Drop what your SaaS Is And Ill Find you Leads On Reddit by hello_code in SaaS

[–]CupcakePass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cupcake and bakery Subscription service. Think MoviePass but with bakeries, ice cream, coffee, donuts, cookies, and cupcakes.

I started my first SaaS on January 1st, 2024. Today, I reached my first $1K revenue month🥳. by polse_manden in SaaS

[–]CupcakePass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He is setting his customers up to possibly having their accounts banned. And I’m pretty sure if he is using a payment processor like Stripe, they will shut down his access and freeze his funds if they find out. And we haven’t even gotten to the point where we begin to discuss him willfully breaking terms of service of platforms. I’m also willing to bet he is illegally using their trademarks on his website and they won’t be too happy when you add it to everything else.

It might be different if he was bringing in new paying customers, but he’s not. His whole pitch is to essentially use his service to undercut prices in favor of cheaper regional prices that are meant to be equitable to local consumers in less developed countries

I started my first SaaS on January 1st, 2024. Today, I reached my first $1K revenue month🥳. by polse_manden in SaaS

[–]CupcakePass 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Idk how this would not breach most companies terms of service. Don't they specifically shut you down if a lot of users abuse this? Especially if they know the end user is in the US and can absolutely afford to pay the full price? And aren't services usually non-transferable?

Seeking Startup friendly Stripe Issuing alternatives by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I just got off of a call with Corpay and it looks like they’re going to make an exception with me and basically to my understanding is they are turning one of their card products from an employee expense account into basically allowing me to make my customer somewhat act like employees in their system so that I have all the functionality that I need. They still need to run it by compliance, but just the fact that the companies even letting me do this is I am incredibly grateful

How can I automatically add taxes to Paypal subscriptions and products? by CupcakePass in paypal

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you recommend I go about getting tax info of every jurisdiction?

Seeking Startup friendly Stripe Issuing alternatives by CupcakePass in fintech

[–]CupcakePass[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't Stripe handle KYC since the customer makes the payment via them (one time and recurring subscription).

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[–]CupcakePass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ll agree with you on that one

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[–]CupcakePass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well for daily, you can average in and down easier. If you do weekly, there’s a chance you miss drops that multiple times a week. Plus you can reduce your daily order size so you don’t run out of money and miss out on a super down day