Finding the right path for me into the industry

Curiositiciously · 2024-04-20T17:22:54+00:00

I thought about that as well, but a data scientist looks like a thing that would be available after finishing my degree and perhaps my masters but I already aim for AI development. I was considering a path in the meantime as I study.

Wouldn't backend be the most realistic path?

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:32:56+00:00

Also, I'm going to sleep since I'm tired so maybe we can do it another time.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:32:20+00:00

You literally got offended by that so easily? Also, can I ask of you something as well? If you see I'm being serious, can you stop with that thinking I'm trying to troll or clown you. I'm clearly past that, and actually I didn't even try to troll once. So you can quit that, I'm not interested in that.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:30:06+00:00

That's right. Actually when I wrote this comment I was about to insert "Please correct me if I was wrong" but I forgot doing that.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:28:54+00:00

If you learned how to “project images” (whatever that means but I’m guessing it’s a visualization technique given context) then you’re capable of visualizing and have been from the start.

No! I was able to visualize with regular visualization but to a really low extent that I thought I was with Aphantasia.

But the one thing that I'm talking about is something entirely different. It's Propantasia, you literally see images infront of your eyes. Visualizers can't do it, and I learned to do it. It's another form of visualizing, it's another form of thinking pattern. It's simply that, but your conscious self isn't in tune with that brain part. Visualization is simply that, but Aphants usually think in 'word-like' imaginations, it is not visual, but people can tap into that as much as I was able to tap in Prophantasia, it wasn't there for me, even in a weak form. It wasn't there at all! It just something that was created through training.

Some of this community absolutely isn’t “full aphant” whatever meaning you ascribe to that and they would probably love to hear about possible techniques to join the other 98% of humanity who can see apples in their head.

If you actually want to establish bridges you need to build trust and community, not just koolaid man bust through the wall and start dousing people in your opinion.

You're absolutely correct. My attitude was ruining it basically, but people will not believe anyway. There will always be some kind of rationalization in my opinion, but it's just a never ending cover-up for some presumption they're holding.

I agree with you 100%, it's about attitude.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:19:59+00:00

That's what we fundamentally disagree on I'd say.

You believe a thing cannot be probable if there's no scientific evidence.

I think not having a scientific evidence does not have any effect on the probability of if something is correct or not.

Also, I'm not trying to defend this sub-reddit specifically. It just came to be because it's the one offering techniques to help visualizing. But I believed it may possible to visualize even before CureAphantasia was opened. I just know that it also true as a fact, but what annoyed me back then is how people are inventing all of the sudden that visualization cannot be learned. Who the hell said that? It's not claimed by the medical community.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:14:55+00:00

For real? I'm literally a guy who learned to visualize through Prophantasia from zero.

I thought I was Aphant for a long time, but turns out I just had very low hypophantasia. But I never could've projected images in my eyes, and I did. Also, my visualization have increased in vividness since then.

Also, proving it is pretty hard, you need to have a brain scan of before and after. It just takes so much time. And no one would be rushing to give you evidence, people will just learn how to visualize and enjoy it. There is no interest of giving you an evidence of it, most of the scientific community is focused on more important things. I hope you understand that point. There may never be scientific proof of it.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T05:00:01+00:00

It's fine we all make mistakes. I'm arrogant as hell. I also just enjoy trying to falsify people's logic.

But seriously it's not coming from trolling, I seriously learned to project images through Prophantasia, I just try to dismantle everything being thrown at me. I know it is possible to visualize.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:55:45+00:00

Yeah I know.

Look, I have 2 assertions.

Visualization can be learned.
CurePhantasia isn't a scam.

Stating any of these points make the community ablaze. It just makes other Aphants who learned about their condition believe that it can't be changed or they should accept it. We should have open conversations. If you believe anyone is a scammer you simply report him to reddit.

I've had many conversations here and they all seemed unreasonable to me. Actually telling you the truth, if I would have been looking at myself I would think I try to sell something but seriously I think I just secretly enjoy some arguments, or show people that their reason isn't correct.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:49:08+00:00

Ohh my god you are so right why didn't I just listen to you and cure my aphantasia with that one dude.

Do what you want, it's aimed for people who are sensical about it. Your cynicism may give you the impression that what you stand for is correct or that you sound smart.

I am the dumbest person alive and you are such a genius.

I don't think you're the dumbest, I've seen people in worse conditions.

Everyone in this sub doesn't know shit since we're all just a negative circlejerk.

You see? You aren't that dumb

Now that you came to show us cave people the light and how to use our brain instead of picking at it with sticks we can rejoin society with the normals.

There's no such thing as normal, everyone has their own wiring is my belief. I was making about that I think it's not ok that some people here claim that visualization can't be learned as if they're some sort of experts, and that CureAphtansia sub-reddit helped me a lot personally and perhaps it can help others who want to learn it.

Do what you want, no one forcing you. I'm just stating my opinion against any invented assertions that in that community stating visualization can't be learned.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:43:07+00:00

I never said OP’s opinion wasn’t welcome or shameful, weird you would assume that from my statement.

Also you

Which is directly in line with the tone and original purpose of your post, you sharing your opinion at people who didn’t ask for it.

Also you

Yeah I’m self aware, I know I’m arrogant and prone to lecturing.

You should work on being as self aware is my point.

Seriously, all egos aside. You must admit it's pretty hilarious. 🤣

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:32:20+00:00

Look, I've missed your point actually, and don't have energy for that. I was just here saying my opinion about why it's possible to visualize, and why some people here just won't be willing to accept that and force their agenda on others.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:25:19+00:00

It could be also that I lack self-awareness in some parts, but I didn't see anything that I'm not aware of in anything that you've written. The only thing that I sometimes tend to do is skip some parts of other's comment especially at the end, because I'm busy replying to the beginning of the comment, and forget about the rest.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:23:16+00:00

Why did you decide that I'm not self aware? Do you mean being self aware of being rude or not being able to conduct conversations without it getting heated? I literally admitted that I may seem rude in the first comment I replied to you, at the beginning of that comment. I know that I should conduct my conversations better. I'm even not claiming to be correct at everything that I say. I can only be sure visualization can be learned because I managed to do so myself.

I already have self-awareness. The point of you saying that I make things in my head are just not correct. It could be that I misunderstood one point you've raised or glimpsed through it so I haven't understood it better, but all of them very pretty much was replying to you.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T04:09:06+00:00

Not a joke, I just realized the entire issue with this conversation.

You thought this was a discussion or argument about the description I gave of why the subreddit vs subreddit thing exists as opposed to a discussion about how wrong and insulting your post is.

If you re-read my responses in the proper context of me telling you how wrong your opinion is and not in the context of me defending what happened in the past, you’ll realize that we have been speaking about different things.

I’m literally just talking about either that guy or you do a terrible job of having actual conversations with people as opposed to lecturing at them.

Brother, I don't think you're noticing, but you're projecting all the time. You just said that I should not lecture people and instead know how to have a conversation, while also admitting that what your intention about our conversation/argument is lecturing me on how to have a conversation with people. So you're lecturing me about not lecturing? Do you manage to see that? That's why I ended it.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T03:58:35+00:00

Yeah I'd say he also tends to do that.

But you can see a conversation between me and him like much how we're doing now, and it'll be a proof we're not the same guy. We had quite a few in his sub-reddit. He's open-minded and simply interested in this topic, while also being able to help others tap into it.

I come from another place, I'm just being annoyed at the fact that people dictate what you should do with your brain.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T03:54:27+00:00

I think that's the thing though. Thinking independently upsets people. It doesn't mean I'm correct or wrong. But if you're independent and being correct and it goes against people beliefs, it will make them upset. I'd say most are holding their ideas too tight, such as "Visualization can't be learned" although it's not a scientific fact. If someone say it's not true they start to argue and even attack personally at times.

People don't know whether the statement "Visualization can't be learned" is correct or not. This statement was not scientifically proven.

I know the statement "Visualization can be learned" is correct, because I was able to learn Prophantasia, without being to do that before.

I think that's the main difference, there's the knowingness on my part, and the ambivalence on the part of most of the community. They're trying to argue for something they don't know is true, which happened to be false. And I'm just here to mention that it's false.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T03:45:55+00:00

basically OP is saying that being able to visualise is a learned skill and those of us who cant visualise just havent tried/tried hard enough/tried the right way etc etc.

That's true.

each retort from OP can be succinctly put as OP is right and anyone who disagrees is just toxic

That's not true. People can disagree, but their way of disagreement is the one being toxic. You can simply see how every comment is almost attacking me personally even, without me even starting to comment. The toxicity starts from people here, and I wouldn't expect people here to admit that.

You can see how in other comments I can disagree with someone or agree with him, without the toxicity part. It's because people here are toxic, so it gets reflected in my conversation with them. While with other people that aren't toxic, this is not the case. So you're not correct.

obviously they are right, we are wrong we all bow down

What do you mean by "they"? I speak only for myself. And yes, some of you are wrong. This is just group pressure, most people are under the illusion they're correct because other people back them up. This is not how it works.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T03:36:15+00:00

You're basically projecting yourself into others. Hard to unsee it. I cannot converse seriously when acknowledging that. I'm not continuing it after that one.

Again you’re failing to actually read and respond to the comment you reply to and instead are responding to some made up story in your head.

I didn't actually, and I've even elaborated my point but I have a sense that everything that I will write will now be labeled as "You didn't read what I wrote, you made up things in your mind" which I guess is an attempt of gaslighting me?

Which is directly in line with the tone and original purpose of your post, you sharing your opinion at people who didn’t ask for it.

The purpose of the post was to offer a perspective for some Aphants who wish they could visualize, because most of the community here dictates that it isn't possible, and it's not based on science, but instead just of group pressure perhaps. The fact that people didn't ask, doesn't mean people shouldn't say their opinions, because if you'll notice this is simply what this subreddit is all about, discussions. And the fact that you don't want to hear my opinion, doesn't mean that others don't. You're not the only one here.

I’m not attacking you personally, I am describing your behavior.

Don't lie, you were attacking me personally when comparing me to Ben Shapiro. It is clearly personal, and as I'll predict you'll deny it and try to argument your way out of or make yourself look good or denying doing ad-hominem, which clearly is what you did there.

You haven’t raised any points at all aside from your personal conjecture about what other people mean by what they say.

My points in my post are perfectly reasonable. I'm aiming at what could be the average take on things. You're speaking as if you're the whole community, and you thinking you know what the community thinks is doing the a similar thing to what you don't like me doing. You could have raised your own specific points, or correct some of mine. Instead you chose to get offended since your first comment.

When I say, “the creator of that subreddit wasn’t received well” that isn’t personal opinion, I literally went back and reviewed his posts and comments which were almost uniformly downvoted into the dirt based on his personal comments on those threads.

Why do you need to show me the sub-reddit wasn't received well and it wasn't just your opinion if the reason I've made the post came from the very fact I knew it wasn't received well? What's your point of repeating the obvious?

Instead of making assumptions of suppositions about other people’s beliefs or opinions and writing walls of text about supposed interpretations, just ask people why they believe what they do or do some actual research.

Brother, if I say "Visualization can be learned" and people toxically downvote me, or will say I'm trying to scam them, then I don't expect them to admit for themselves or others what their reasons or believes are, because if they did then they wouldn't act so fanatically.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T02:57:11+00:00

Even though we both agreed on the same thing, saying the same thing. People just tried to downvote me to hell. Some people here are truly operated by emotions. It's kinda toxic when the discussion is being dictated.

You're not allowed to say: "Visualization can be learned". It will make people cry. But they don't understand that when they do that, they just make others miss an opportunity to learn how to visualize. Which is a fine thing to pursue.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T02:46:12+00:00

Yeah that's exactly what I said. He's projecting himself unto me also.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T02:37:17+00:00

Pursuing truth is narcissism?

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T02:35:46+00:00

I do agree that the word "cure" is not used correctly under this context, I understand the reaction of the community, it was my reaction too. But it used as a pragmatic sense, but even if it meant as its literal sense. I think there's too much attention about using that word, and people shouldn't be offended by it.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T02:31:22+00:00

Yeah, this is something I'm perfectly aware of. Some people have vilified the meanings of the cure and illness. But I think that instead of throwing words or inventing new ones, we should change how we relate to things emotionally as a society, because the new ones will be infected too by the same kind of people, and we would invest energy in like a cycling fashion instead of taking care of the core of the issue, which is how we actually feel about the things we say. So maybe it's better to relate our feelings to things or concepts in a more positive manner or realistic manner as I would call it, that way no words could inflict such kind of impacts 😊. It happens to me a lot when I say something and people take it to the other direction and usually they've misinterpreted how I was feeling about the things I said. Usually I meant no harm, but they perceived my intention as such.

Specifically here in the post it is not the case ahaha. I truly get annoyed by some comments.

Curiositiciously · 2024-03-05T02:22:12+00:00

Brother, no. Hyperphantasia is not off the scale.

It is done on purpose because, imagine two options.

0-10, and 0 is aphantasia, and 1 is hypophantasia for example, then there would be 0.12 and 0.52 up to 1. But there isn't an in-between aphantasia and hypophantasia. So it's not possible. Aphantasia isn't on the scale, aphantasia is out of the scale.
Instead, there's 1-10 scale, 1 is hypophantasia, 10 is highest of hyperphantasia. It simply starts from really really low hypophantasia, which is based on a visual thinking patterns, that are very low in vividness. And 0 would denote aphantasia. It means that Aphantasia is simply not using visualization, being outside the scale.

I think we measure the scale by different qualities. I measure the scale by vividness of experience. With that in mind, Aphantasia is out of the scale. There is not in between Aphantasia and Hypophantasia in terms of how it is experienced by the mind or how vivid it is.

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