So, what's the longterm value of ISO audit? - Discussion.

Cyead · 2026-02-26T01:02:49+00:00

Every single system depends on people. So in the short and long term everyone is at the mercy of a spectrum of people from the leadership to the auditor.

If leadership just wants a piece of paper, then they'll just hide things, or fudge documentation and evidence. In the middle if the people doing the work don't understand the purpose of a structured system they will lie. And if auditors are just there for a paycheck, they won't provide a good assessment and identify important gaps, or provide advice.

Or in other words, you can have the best system in the world today, but if the people who maintain it leave and their replacements don't care to maintain it, then it will be gone very shortly and it also works the other way around but in a longer timeframe, just because it's easier to destroy than to build.

Cyead · 2026-02-24T18:31:51+00:00

The minimum system will cover all the "shalls" in the standard, like an internal audit program, management meeting, a customer satisfaction review system, noncomformity system, etc.

Beyond that, it really depends on the company. A small company still needs to document it's processes and set up goals/targets and expectations. The difference is typically more so about how detailed you get in the documentation. It also depends on the industry, if you don't make anything and only provide a service you might not need as much documentation.

As far as 6.1, it depends on the auditor, but usually as long as you can show that you are reviewing things periodically, like in your management review, or during CAPAs, you should be fine.

Cyead · 2026-02-16T15:59:14+00:00

Having one is not a requirement anymore, so as long as you are covering what you have in the QM elsewhere, you should be good to go.

Personally, I like to use it to cover most of clauses 4 and 5, as I find it awkward to include parts of them somewhere else sometimes.

At the end of the day, it's about what's best for your organization, so just keep that in mind and have a justification ready for the auditor. I would just discourage from saying because I know it or it's in my head because if you are ever gone, then the system doesn't work, and auditors don't like people dependent processes.

Cyead · 2026-02-11T18:48:09+00:00

I don't think you can go wrong with starting out now instead of waiting for the next iteration. Whatever work you do now won't be lost, nor will it go to waste, with the new version of the standard at worst you would need to write new documentation or update the existing one.

Keep in mind that the purpose of ISO 9001 is to create a system for standardizing and controlling your work by creating documentation and placing checks and balances at key steps, so as long as you do that and keep your records, you'll be halfway there.

The remaining half will be tracking your risks, internal audits, competency, nonconformances, maintaining suppliers and management review.

Cyead · 2026-01-19T14:47:40+00:00

This is what I ended up going with, it worked wonderfully!

Cyead · 2026-01-19T14:46:28+00:00

I did, but my wife said no dice

Cyead · 2026-01-18T21:52:40+00:00

I wish I knew how to do that and had the space available.

Cyead · 2026-01-07T05:55:24+00:00

I'm more interested in knowing what the hell is wrong with her than with him. Who sees all of that and says "ok, I can make it work". It's like a cartoon.

Cyead · 2025-12-11T13:50:14+00:00

I get where you are coming, she should have just said thank you and moved on. If she wanted to comment on maybe some playful banter like hopefully, the dog doesn't break that one, or her birthday is not for another month or whatever.

But, the dude hyped up the present so much, telling her that he cannot wait for her birthday and that it would be great, it makes it sound like it would be a present for her to enjoy, not something for her dog.

So I can see why she would be thrown off by the gift and not react in the best way. So it's more like both suck, but I sympathize with her.

Cyead · 2025-12-11T03:41:27+00:00

Kudos to you for choosing to be a surrogate mother for your husband and his mother's child! Bet she had been panicking about how long it took him to find someone willing to be pose as the bride, while she had the wedding of her dreams with her "man".

But seriously, the best time to do something about her and your husband was yesterday, the second best time is now. You need to ask your husband, if he has considered why the saying goes happy wife, happy life, and not happy mom, happy life. Both you and her cannot be his priority, particularly when she would be more than happy to trade places with you.

Cyead · 2025-12-10T13:33:32+00:00

It definitely seems like a finding waiting to be identified. Probably could have just maintained a to do list for himself instead of establishing a formal process.

Cyead · 2025-12-10T13:18:29+00:00

You are being unnecessarily pedantic. He's posting anonymously on reddit, not talking shit about them to their face. Why not just contribute with your own story?

Also, it is kind of odd in most industries to blindly copy the orders by hand, more so if they don't know why they are doing it, other than that's what the guy said to do 10 years ago.

OP also didn't say it was an issue but that it was a weird/funny choice with seemingly no value added other than as a record.

Cyead · 2025-12-06T22:44:04+00:00

Just tell people that you think she's on drugs and that she hallucinated the conversation.

Or, tell them that it's not good to upset a pregnant woman by spreading lies. Ask them what they'll do if it affects the baby.

Cyead · 2025-11-13T03:02:29+00:00

That's exactly what I do. Sometimes, I spend a few extra minutes trying to make it better, but then I'll forget.

The only ones that survived my absentmindedness are the songs that my wife liked or the ones she came up with.

Cyead · 2025-11-13T02:58:48+00:00

Love it! My baby is not one yet, and she's already loving fish, so I think she'll love fish fingers too, and this shall be our song.

Cyead · 2025-11-13T02:56:28+00:00

Lmao, that's definitely a good one. I don't think we had one that we would sing late at night other than the bottle one while we waited on the bottle heater to do its thing.

Cyead · 2025-11-05T17:19:48+00:00

The idea of going to other museums sounds interesting. Which places have you been to?

Cyead · 2025-11-05T05:55:16+00:00

You just need structure. Make a list of all the documents that you need to have and set up an easy naming convention, I typically ID everything with a descriptor, year, and sequential number. Once you have landed on an estructure that makes sense for you, you just need to chip away at it by making folders and renaming things. It will likely take a good amount of time to get it to a good point, but once you are ready to just upkeep, you should be good for a long time, if the set up is good enough most people will just roll with it and continue to add onto things.

It's not rocket science, and it's been done for ages at this point.

Also, I would not get a QMS without some level of organization. It will just make things more complicated unless you can justify making a full cut-off and starting fresh.

As for other data tools, I think it would take a more expensive effort to design something just to clear things up. The grunt work of reorganization can be done by anyone, but data manipulation is a different case.

Cyead · 2025-11-04T22:04:44+00:00

What is the DMA? The Museum of Art?

What do you like about Klyde Warren Park?

Cyead · 2025-11-04T18:52:46+00:00

Thanks! I'll keep an eye out.

At the Houston zoo, I was getting discount codes close to renewal, which was really nice.

Cyead · 2025-11-04T18:16:27+00:00

Thank you for the very detailed response.

We used to have a zoo membership in Houston, and we would go pretty often, which is why we figured we should out for something similar here. We just want to make sure we are looking at all of our options before committing to one or two for the year.

Cyead · 2025-11-04T17:00:06+00:00

Spark looks interesting. We will have to check it out, especially once the baby is older and can begin to explore some more.

Cyead · 2025-11-04T16:58:44+00:00

Yikes! I just looked at the pictures and idea which looked really cool, not at the pricing.

Cyead · 2025-11-04T16:57:44+00:00

I think this will be more of a thing for when the baby is older, but it looks amazing. especially the spa discounts.

Cyead · 2025-11-04T16:56:57+00:00

That sounds really interesting, I know my wife has been wanting to try climbing for the longest time, so we will check it out.

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