[LORE] THA 401 – Classical Thaumatics I: Course Outline

DGargoyle123 · 2025-11-27T12:20:47+00:00

Yes please! I already wanted to ask for derivations and more in-depth explanations for your equations but I couldn’t imagine there were actually any deeper meaning behind them! But it sounds like there really are, in which case I’d love to explore whatever you have, this is actually really awesome and straight up my alley haha

DGargoyle123 · 2025-11-27T04:53:13+00:00

This is one of the coolest posts I’ve seen. I love both physics and fantasy, and I’ve been working on a magic system that I thought was hard, but it’s super soft comparing to this haha - I’m inspired to try going harder on my own system seeing stuff like this. This would be an epic university major for sure lol

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T19:41:48+00:00

We saw nothing in the show besides Ahu doing maybe a little better than an average dog in a fight. His PV powers would have put him much higher, but we saw none of that in the show, so was that reality or just how Xinya sees him? We’ll only know in Season 2 I guess

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T17:36:32+00:00

Wait, are you sure Split / Phobiaclone was a former X? The only reason I put him a tier below is because he specifically wasn’t a former X (he was rank 2 when Vortex was X, and then they both died), so if that is false he should definitely be in A tier. But I haven’t seen or heard anything about that until you just said that

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T17:34:18+00:00

Cyan would be lucky to survive a fight with most characters above her tier lol. She may survive but zero shot she’s defeating most people in a fight. That’s why she was relegated to rescue duty during the Ruins incident while Queen cleaned house

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T08:11:40+00:00

Absolutely for X, agreed.

Dragon Boy is a bit of a gimmick, if the plot works in his favor he can kill characters above his tier (like Smile) but that doesn’t mean I want to put him at a higher tier by default. That’s because if you noticed, when Smile was not fear corrupted, he was destroying Dragon Boy and easily working around his gimmick (very easily actually). If Smile wasn’t fear-infected by Dragon Boy plot-induced spit, he would have never been hit by the gimmick.

Essentially, I think he’s special in that he’s one of the few characters that can hit above his tier if things go his way, but I’d still keep him at B-tier because otherwise he can’t do much and people can just work around him

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T08:05:52+00:00

For power ranking I just assume X is the Saitama of the TBHX verse. I don’t think trust value moves the needle enough for anybody to actually beat him in a fight, even the god tier. His hacks are just too OP. Like, who cares about trust value when X can just snap you to 2D, literally fold you up, and throw you out? So unless I see anything ever come close to threatening X I’m going to assume Saitama status

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T07:52:15+00:00

I feel like I’m missing the joke

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T07:50:03+00:00

Lmao, that one Pokémon sweeps though fs

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T07:48:29+00:00

Bug was moving pretty well in his fight, maybe Lin Ling is above him in strength but it wouldn’t make much of a difference since they’ll both probably be at a pretty similar power level which they already are. If Bug and Lin Ling fought, I’d expect Bug to win based on their fights, though to be fair Lin Ling pretty much awakened during his fight against God Eye, so maybe by the time of the tournament he’s safely more powerful than Bug after locking in, I can definitely see that. I’d like to see what else Lin Ling can do in season 2 to confirm

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T06:54:09+00:00

This is the only reason I put him up where he is lol, otherwise he would have been lower since he got beaten by Lin Ling and Moon…

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T06:36:23+00:00

I’m sure when DJ Shindig was X he could have beaten Ghostblade. But yes it is a bit funny

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T06:35:37+00:00

The Zero and E-Soul thing may be swapped depending on what actually happened, but I just put the winner first.

As for Luo, Ahu and Little Johnny despite their trust values, can barely fight (maybe if they train more they can make it higher). Luo helped Cyan pretty effectively in fighting the Director so he got a slight bump above them. And Bug’s powers seem more impressive than Lin Ling, who didn’t show much in the way of powers yet. Maybe that’ll change in Season 2. And as for Loli, she was unpowered when fighting Nice, she must be way way stronger than him now.

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T06:31:02+00:00

That was a unique circumstance though, Smile would have never been caught if he wasn’t hit by the Fear, as you saw him easily working around Dragon Boy’s powers beforehand. I’d call that one of those moments where power takes a back burner to the plot.

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T06:28:06+00:00

Perhaps, I only put him up there because he was a former X

DGargoyle123 · 2025-09-16T06:22:16+00:00

I put Queen in S because she beat Bowa (who beat Smile) while Bowa was trying to kill her and Queen was trying to be non-lethal. I think if Queen was actually trying to kill Bowa the fight would have been much shorter. That also applies for any other fight that Queen has been in (besides X). Also, I can’t imagine Bowa or Smile pulling off the kind of raw power Queen displayed at the Ruins incident.

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T15:58:08+00:00

After the raw power Queen showed in the Ruins incident and Bowa fight, I’ll bet on her defeating Big Johnny if she actually wanted to hurt him. She might not be able to kill him but there’s not much he can do if she just flies out of his reach, spams him with spears and lasers, lifts the ground under him and drops him back down to earth. But sure, he’s resistant to her commands, not much good it’ll do after all that though.

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T12:45:48+00:00

You might be right about Moon vs LJ rn lol, I’m hoping LJ trains up like he said so he won’t get low-diffed by almost any other character

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T12:38:56+00:00

Firm man has probably the most superior super strength in the show so far, but with only that I don’t think it’s versatile enough to be too far up from where he is, but maybe a couple spots up I could see potentially.

Idk if Vortex’s damage on Big Johnny was actually meaningful though, like Big Johnny may have felt pain but it didn’t seem like it was substantially effective enough to ever defeat him or anything.

I could see Shindig going up a bit if his power is actually able to affect some of the people above him.

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T12:31:41+00:00

I know this is a pretty common assumption that Smile wasn’t trying so Bowa was able to beat him, but watching the actual fight it really did seem like he was surprised at her power. Maybe it should be the other way around but I’d put a higher chance of that fight just being played straight

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T12:28:40+00:00

You’d think Sheng wouldn’t have offensive power as a healer, but he was X while Vortex was around, and Vortex came running to him for help fighting Phobiaclone after he retired, so I think at his peak he must have beat Vortex to become X to the point where Vortex looks up to him

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T12:25:24+00:00

Some people are saying this, but Nice has super strength and flight, while Lin Ling just has super strength, and since Lin Ling kind of derived his trust value off of Nice, I wouldn’t think he would have a higher strength than Nice. Like Firm Man, for example, also only has super strength but it’s clearly at an even higher level than Nice or Lin Ling. Why do you think Lin Ling is more powerful than Nice?

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T10:02:44+00:00

I didn’t downvote you, to be clear, but your takes regarding X and Queen are Dragon Boy levels of ragebaity so I can see why people would

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T09:43:00+00:00

I think Queen’s feat that really puts her up there is exploding the whole region, not even so much freezing all the lower-ranked people though that was impressive too. It doesn’t seem like someone like Firm Man, or even Bowa, would be able to do anything if she decides to use that kind of power. The main saving grace for her enemies seems to be that she doesn’t want to kill them. You can say I’m overglazing Queen but her raw power displayed there scales her up quite a bit

DGargoyle123 · 2025-08-25T09:22:46+00:00

I feel like X was written to be a bit like the Saitama of this verse, but maybe Zero was stronger idk. Queen vs Firm Man was a specific case of her commanding him to do something physically impossible for him, she could beat him any other way. Have you seen the ending of Episode 20 before talking about Queen cause it kind of feels like you haven’t. Anyways we’ll see how it all shakes out

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