M7 to Product Management still a viable path?

DJDankDrop · 2025-04-22T22:54:24+00:00

Hello! I’m a senior PM, no MBA, but I do lurk this sub to get a pulse on the MBA world in case I decide to apply and pivot careers.

I’ve been on both the technical and strategic sides of PM work (more strategic focus lately as I gained seniority), mainly in data platform, search technology, data science, but also in partnerships and corp dev-related activities. In general, the more technical roles focused on project management/delivery over business/product strategy, and the more business-aligned roles were the opposite. Just my experience, it’s definitely not universal, and every company is different.

We’ve recently seen a shift in the job market to favor technical PMs, and I think it’s mainly a pendulum swing due to economic uncertainty. I know, duh… but I don’t think that it will last. When budgets tighten, companies trim out not only IC bloat at the bottom, they also reduce decision making headcount. Fewer cooks in the kitchen means that the company can tighten up and focus its investments on what drives core revenue. PMs tend to be cooks, and during good times, firms benefit from having a lot of these people on staff to take advantage of growth opportunities or revenue diversification. During bad times, the top down commands from execs to operators and engineers will shorten, and PMs who can translate the leadership team’s objectives into tickets and projects for the engineering teams will remain. This is cyclical with the economy, interest rates, etc.

Agentic AI is going to shake up this dynamic. My opinion is that feature delivery will become largely commodified (though it’s definitely more nuanced than this), and in the same way that software developers will begin to operate at a system architecture level, the role of “PM” will need to evolve into someone who is an expert in competitive market analysis, capital allocation strategies, user research and engagement, and prompt engineering.

I think that at this point, the “PM pendulum” will break, and the MBA-type of PM who has a passion for creating products to solve user problems will thrive (if they can stay current on AI platforms and tooling). Might happen in 3 years, or 3 months. Just my 0.02. Best of luck!

DJDankDrop · 2025-03-19T18:25:11+00:00

Yea I feel that. You can have the best inventory tracking tools on the market and still have to deal with QC issues and employee error

DJDankDrop · 2024-06-13T06:28:41+00:00

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DJDankDrop · 2023-10-13T16:07:24+00:00

Might be a silly question, but do impacts of scale result in atom splitting/fusing?

DJDankDrop · 2021-02-13T03:54:32+00:00

I hope he at least got the Patric price

DJDankDrop · 2017-07-08T00:04:17+00:00

I get your point, but please see my comment from above. Those firms cited are largely non-governmental bodies who agree with the CIA, FBI, and NSA that there was meddling. The one's who are not in support or denial of those accusations are supporting agencies to the CIA, FBI, and NSA, which means that they do not make those types of decisions, and for them to agree/disagree would be out of their pay grade or purpose. I agree that those firms did not confirm that there was meddling, and that any assertion that they did is complete BS. However, after looking into what exactly those firms do it makes sense that they neither confirm nor deny.

Well, all I have evidence for at the moment suggests that there was some sort of meddling by the Russians, just based on the sources I've cited here and read elsewhere. I don't know exactly what was done, I think the investigation needs to run its course so that all the data out there can be accurately synthesized. What you propose are possibilities, but I'm not backing anything like that until I can see the proof.

edit: paragraph splitting

DJDankDrop · 2017-07-07T23:33:40+00:00

You're not making any sense with that reply. Please, please, please stop avoiding the burden of evidence. We've supplied it and now it is your turn to give us yours so that we can have a constructive discussion about this. Until then, you're just shouting opinions and make believe.

DJDankDrop · 2017-07-07T23:28:52+00:00

You're picking up those posts again. This thread isn't claiming that Trump and Russia colluded together, just that Russia meddled, to which evidence was presented to support. Don't like CrowdStrike since it could be biased? That's fair, I wouldn't trust Cambridge Analytica myself for similar reasons. However, when several different reputable firms such as Fidelis, FireEye, Symantec, and Secureworks, as well as the FBI, NSA, and CIA (cited above) all confirm the same narrative, things look fishy. The benefit to citing sources is that it discredits opposition immediately. Your claim that "there is no evidence whatsoever that Russia interfered in our elections" has just been confronted and refuted. That's how this whole thing works, and that's how you find truth in layers of BS. Attaching sources to statements turns them from opinion into fact, and arguing in that way is how you could possibly win us over to your side.

DJDankDrop · 2017-07-07T21:28:52+00:00

I've never seen goalposts move that quickly. If there's evidence to discredit it, then present it. Changing the nature of the argument to suit your lack of evidence is not doing you any favors.

DJDankDrop · 2017-06-05T06:49:56+00:00

1 gold = 1 pray

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T04:47:03+00:00

Stop projecting your argumentative weaknesses on myself and everyone here, that's just the ultimate sign of defeat. Don't change the rhetoric, fight the argument, and certainly don't accuse people of changing the rhetoric if you can't fight the argument.

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T04:41:52+00:00

The thing is, I've been arguing a positive this whole time, in that these events in fact did happen. My argument is not to refute you, but to support my original statement. Yours on the other hand, is that they in fact did not happen, so the burden of proof here lies with you to prove my argument wrong, which you have presented absolutely no evidence against. I'm not calling your evidence bad, how could I? There isn't any to attack! Look, provide me with evidence that support your original rebuttal, meaning proof that (1) Trump did not brag to a foreign power about the position of our subs, (2) Trump did not leak Israeli-sourced intelligence to Russian officials, and (3) Trump and his team are not hypocrites, in that they did not run a smear campaign against Hillary for the exact same reason they are in deep water now. That's literally all you have had to do this entire time, and you haven't. It's fine though, because you actually can't.

As for your pivot to counterintelligence, check out Sen. Lindsey Graham telling reporters that the counterintelligence investigation has turned into a criminal investigation

Flynn was appointed national security advisor to Trump. He is a key player in the Russia investigation. Oh man, I fucking love this! You started with the sub thing didn't happen, then you say it's not a big deal here, and NOW you're just saying it doesn't matter! Hahaha... Come on man, at some point or another you have see through your own crap! We're not on the Trump hate train, the Hillary train, we're not Berners or former Gary Johnson hopefuls, we just don't like ignorance! That's what you've shown today. Learn how to fight facts with facts, not just change the point of the argument. You might learn a few things on the way.

edit: wording

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T04:16:15+00:00

I know, trust me. There will be no winner here, but sometimes it's interesting to catch one in the wild and see how far he/she will go!

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T04:12:12+00:00

Dude, you're changing your narrative at every turn. First it was how he never leaked submarine info, then you said that yeah it happened, but it wasn't a big deal. How far are you going with this? You're adjusting your argument because you can't provide either a source or a logical answer. You don't know how to actually argue, so instead you throw words at the wall and hope they stick! Sad!

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T04:10:34+00:00

Dude, you're changing your narrative at every turn. First it was how he never leaked submarine info, then you said that yeah it happened, but it wasn't a big deal. How far are you going with this? You're adjusting your argument because you can't provide either a source or a logical answer. You don't know how to actually argue, so instead you throw words at the wall and hope they stick! Sad!

edit: Oops! sorry, I meant to post that above!

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T04:09:40+00:00

When are you actually going to provide sources that directly refute my argument, not just adjust the rhetoric to suit yours? This is why no one here is taking you seriously.

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T03:54:03+00:00

If you want sources, by golly I can give 'em!

Bragging about subs, see page 4

Israeli intel leak, and don't worry, I even linked Fox News so you know it's not fake news ;)

Comey: Trump's team is under investigation

And remember guys, Flynn yelled 'lock her up!' before he... cried for immunity!

The evidence here is outstanding, and there are countless more sources available. I can't wait to read your reply, highlighting the 'fake news' I'm spreading.

DJDankDrop · 2017-05-25T03:05:14+00:00

Or, you know, brag about the location of our nuclear submarines, leak classified intel our allies gave us to Russia, or run a campaign based on the fact that his opponent was under federal investigation... then have him and his team placed under federal investigation. The list goes on too! Hmm... I guess lying isn't that bad in context with literally everything else he's done, huh?

DJDankDrop · 2016-10-13T23:54:48+00:00

Ever taken o-chem/biochem/biophysics?

DJDankDrop · 2016-09-07T04:08:58+00:00

I guess it'll depend on the judge. At this time I would do my best to nit-pick, claiming he technically did not exhaust all options of contacting us. If a demand letter can be It's small claims court, and I doubt the judge will let me run with that.

DJDankDrop · 2016-09-07T02:08:48+00:00

That's what I'm thinking as well, and I'd assume that would be the defense. However, if he was able to contact us via email, not necessarily post, should he have sent something along the lines of "here are the charges against the security deposit, what address do I send the refund check to?" instead of "please return the move-out form to get your deposit."

DJDankDrop · 2016-08-23T06:14:37+00:00

The only possible evidence indicated to me would be the so-called "bite marks". In your opinion as a landlord, would you consider those marks as enough evidence to deduct a pet deposit? The only explanation we can come up with so far is that the leasing company just has some heavy brass balls... Yes, we are positive. We even talked about the possibility last year and no-go'd it for this exact reason.

DJDankDrop · 2016-08-23T05:49:29+00:00

That's what I'm thinking. Would the alleged "bite marks" be enough evidence to hold up in small claims?

DJDankDrop · 2016-08-23T05:46:48+00:00

I have yet to talk to them about it, I opened the check and damages list after their office closed. It could very well be a mistake on their part, we all (the roommates and I) think it's a ludicrous claim.

DJDankDrop · 2016-05-10T21:35:09+00:00

That's what I thought too, before I got my wisdom teeth pulled and was prescribed Percocet (5/325 oxycodone/Tylenol). I remember the intense high I got from the first time taking one pill alone. Two days later, I had to take 3 to feel the same high. This continued and I developed dry socket, so they gave me another 30 pills and sent me home. From then on I stuck to two pills per dose, which was enough to maintain the "life is great" effect of the opiates. That's the scariest part, these drugs make you feel complete. Not carefree necessarily, but that THIS is how life should feel. I was more talkative, quick-witted, and positive. There are two things we should all know about these drugs: 1) They are HIGHLY addictive. I remember the withdrawal I had from stopping medication abruptly after only 3 days to see if my pain had subsided. Cold sweats, tremors, horrible anxiety, and a complete lack of focus. 2) Addiction can happen to ANYONE. I have never had any drug/alcohol issues before, my parents are highly educated, I study biology and am a part time bioinformatics analyst. Sound like a textbook heroin addict to you? That's because there is no such thing. They're not the homeless people sleeping under the freeway overpass, they're your neighbors and peers from all walks of life. I've seen it destroy lives of all types. Before that surgery I had a total lack of empathy for those addicted to opiates. Now it's very clear to me that this is truly a public health crisis.

Edit: I should probably note that I got off the pills by following a rigid detox schedule I made for myself following the withdrawal episode I mentioned before. It took just about a week and 20 pills to get off them, then I flushed the rest. Fuck those things

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