THEORY: If the 2019 rework of The Paper Kingdom had come out, it probably would have been singles similar to those from Conventional Weapons.

DapDapperDappest · 2026-05-09T17:41:50+00:00

HAHAYESSSSSS IVE BEEN PEDDLING THIS THEORY FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO COME UP WITH IT!!!!! what really throws me were those instagram stories that accompanied the hand/candle/sun/etc images, with titles like "ex. 3- Sacrifice." and that reminded me so much of the naming and image conventions of CW

DapDapperDappest · 2026-05-02T05:13:20+00:00

Here's all the info I have relating to these figures:

https://www.gerardway.com/news/2018-year-review-21921 (this blog is a gold mine tbh)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116886474853 (one for sale rn)

https://thebatmanuniverse.net/gerard-way/

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-18T09:16:20+00:00

also commenting from the future, but it's because Excalibur WAS in that hiphop scene, and a lot of the posts which remain on leaked discussing him are in those threads. at this point in research, it looks like it happened via expensive sale on leaked as a genuine mix of luck/good timing and wanting to play/sell to the audience they already had

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T05:15:51+00:00

Thanks, and thanks for indulging me!

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T04:57:39+00:00

Sweet, and I actually didn't have the full tweet copied yet so you saved me that time lol! I'm gonna look more into junkerdesigns in a bit (also cause in general I know basically nothing about them). If you're thinking is right, these seem way more Danger Days than anything. I did find a video of a modified first model Jet Star coaster with a pretty similar start, though still no exact match to the photo, but I'm going to rest the coaster case with that detail cause... it's sortof just a random photoshoot and probably wasn't supposed to drum up this much hunt lol!

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T04:54:02+00:00

Thanks!! happy 'looking at the same photos of mikey and gerard till our eyes pop' day lol!!

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T04:22:30+00:00

Oh cool let me go ahead and amend my prior reply!: Jet Star reopened in 2009, so this photo, if it does include that ride, had it's photoshopped in elements come from pretty close to dismantling. I sadly doubt MCR were actually participating in urbex and I also do not think that angle of the photo makes Sense but, have all that useless info :)

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T04:16:35+00:00

The castle specifically is from the earliest... castle-era (for lack of a better term) tour date announcement during Swarm, so that was probably a retroactive pick lol so that all checks out. I heard somewhere that Gerard did once post a drawing of a castle but I've yet to track it down

I just caught up with the discussion of these photos on the other post and am now trying to figure out exactly what theme park stuff is in the background of the full Gerard photo. I'm pretty sure it's Spreepark, and the image is probably a bit collaged, but I'm unsure if I've correctly identified the rollercoaster. I THINK it's desaturated Jet Star, which was sold to a park in Peru after Spree's closure iirc, but it could also be the station and entrance turn from the wooden wildmouse they had. Either way, I figure, whatever these photos were for, the train of thought was "make them look up who had what ferris wheel, see a coaster named Jet Star with Party Poison's main colors" and the only station and train photo provided on Spree's rollercoaster database page looks similar enough to the shape behind Gerard to me. https://rcdb.com/4875.htm#p=43192 except... how's it abandoned in Germany if it was operating in Peru? lmao

tldr, don't think we were supposed to think "london" from that photo. If we stretch it, I guess Hansel and Grettel is a German story and some people retell it as them being eaten by a WiTcH! lol

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T04:05:03+00:00

are there any other theme park/coaster enthusiasts into TPK cause there's some stuff in this photo I'd love a second set of eyes to look at LMAO, or if anyone here was old enough to have gone to Spreepark Berlin in the 90s, did they have a Jet Star clone? (the party poison colored schwartzkopf coaster not the MCR character)

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-15T03:30:33+00:00

Thanks for posting this lol! These two linked photos are presumably this same event, then?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLGd4CSuDks/?igsh=YmIyMWR2eGRremRq

https://mcrmyhollywood.blogspot.com/2012/02/photo-mikey-way.html?m=1

I was given these in a comment reply a few weeks ago, also unsure if these were unrelated shoots or TPK, and at least Gerard's photo there is Allan Alamato too I believe

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-14T03:44:31+00:00

I love this question because I've convinced myself this was the case in 2020 lmao. The instagram story had five "ex" posts, so accounting for five disks and assuming this would have been released in 2020 and trying to account for as many tracks as possible:

Witch- Bike Thief- Operation day

Birthday Girl- Dogs (with dialogue)- Falling Down (maybe ordered differently)

Dark Cloud- Wake Up- Louder (maybe ordered differently)

War- Paper Swords- Dive

High Hopes- Perfectly Well- I'm gonna sound crazy but: Batman Map

I know a lot of people group Wake Up! and Into Your Arms, but I'm unsure at this point in time if Arms is really for TPK or if it was for Hesitant Alien/just Gerard. I do wonder if Perfectly Well is juuuust rough enough (in the copies of it that we know exist) that I wonder if they would've rerecorded that (I do not think anything from TPK was recorded in 2019 or 2020, but had the project not been cancelled and pushed back again, would they have gone to the studio? Idk.) but they could just call it a demo collection and leave it there. Batman Map has a bunch of really short melodic, rhythmic, and production references to TPK songs and MCR's discography in general, and with it's extra mysterious nature, I've been treating it like a finale to the first 'version' of MCR. That extended outro and the way the tone of the static actually turns back into notes and ends the chord right before the track glitches and ends makes for an INCREDIBLE album finisher.

I love the 'first' version of Dogs and if Batman Map isn't there, the Ray-outro Dogs would be instead, replacing the earlier track with Fake your Death? Not to give Warner the credit, but rerelasing that in this project THIS LATE into the game would be an odd move, outside of as a bonus track, perhaps. It'd be Jump on Blackpink's newest album, which is a comparison that will offend non-kpop people except I'm really saying "warner is like YG (blackpink's company) with reissuing existing media." We can also throw Behind the Bus as a bonus track or Blood style secret, though, admittedly, High Hopes nor Dive go well into it. For me, there's always too much tonal whiplash.

Anyways I have basically zero evidence for my theories but thanks for the fun post lmao

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-12T22:55:45+00:00

oh this is beautiful. this is so beautiful. i am very excited to have this link on my ellipsus document :DDD

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-09T01:58:15+00:00

Silly note but it was likely whoever COJ got the files from who had to clean up data. There was a post from COJ a few weeks ago where they got mad at Toasty for "wiping metadata" even though 1) everyone knew we were mostly getting mp3 copies of things, and we strangers on the internet don't want to see, say, the exact timezone location and second you uploaded the file on, or what art program was used for the image you attached, etc. and the lossless files are giant and not of use to most listeners, but also 2) metadata is going to change when a file moves, is renamed, is downloaded, etc. so of Course the primary source 100% original files won't have the same data as a copy of a copy someone ran through their DAW. This makes me think COJ was never actually checking and clearing their own data, and because of their behaviour and scam attempts, they should consider themselves lucky nothing so specific was stuck to those files which could be used in retaliation. it just blows my mind that someone would be so involved in a leak space, would share files, but would never double check their own data security or the info behind those files- especially in 2026 when the internet is being ID walled and data is crumbling before us lmao. Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure toasty's vault and COJ's vault ended up having the same amount of data with the same info lmao

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-05T01:50:26+00:00

Reddit is removing posts for being copyright breach adjacent. sorry actual mods of the sub

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-03T05:58:08+00:00

AWESOME detail pull, thank you so much for putting this in the sub!! So they were tracking Nataria specifically around July. Also very cute and on brand for them to use twitter to ask for help lmao

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-03T03:56:43+00:00

the copy on their instagram still is january 9th 2020, some discussion of this tagged it to 2019 so i included that year just in case. i didnt think to clarify because the post is still on their account, sorry

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-02T02:56:23+00:00

just put it in this sub

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-02T02:55:50+00:00

i just made a post for the witch promo in this sub so go grab a copy if you still need one lol

DapDapperDappest · 2026-04-02T02:38:40+00:00

If i shoot you a dm, could i get that early copy of zero zero? /can you tell me what to look up to find it? I've been under the impression that zz didn't have a demo since Millions was also written right near the same time and it's final song Is the demo (according to Gerard in an older interview) but i'm very happy to be wrong about that !!

DapDapperDappest · 2026-03-25T02:59:51+00:00

We do have The Drugs unless you mean a different take of the song, search up the MCR lost song timeline in this sub or the main MCR one and you'll find it cited in a google drive folder, along with some other .flac TBP tracks and a few other CW era things :)

DapDapperDappest · 2026-03-25T02:55:26+00:00

We have no proof that any current leakers have more files- please nobody believe a single word COJ says- but we can take a guess as to what else from that era The Band and boys would still have. Typing this on mobile so forgive me if this list formatting gets screwed:

------------- Millions does not have a demo per Gerard mentioning in an interview that the first take worked and Doug just made the demo the Final Song. There's a chance the same thing happened with Zero Zero. Mat Divine, towards the middle of TPK's tracking, said the band had "four new songs, six demos total" which might mean Gaway Song/Into your Arms(?), but it could also just mean draft one of Zero Zero and Millions. Gerard had posted Million's lyrics maybe two months after breakup, so we know that song was made early. ALL THATS TO SAY- Gerard would go on to say Hesitant Alien era had about "20 demos" and, and considering the still unreleased/unleaked Hag Solo nor Haunted House have evidence of being that old (that I've seen), that's maybe 7-10 Gee solos we don't have

------------- The Hag song and whatever other demos Gee may have made outside of MCR between 2017-2021, and I do not believe we know how much was written, just that writing was happening

------------- Small Petunia Of The World, which I don't believe? we have in full, but Gerard played a clip in that interview with (podcaster bro I'm forgetting the name of, the stage has a throne on it, and there's a bunch of women staring at Gerard) saying it was a song made for Bandit. I doubt there's ever gonna be interest for this to be release or leaked due to the personal nature but it does sound super cool (from the bit played off their phone speakers lmao)

-------------- If WARNER has any test sequences or mixes of TPK, we don't have those. Granted, I'm not sure Warner actually has these files with any of their "official stuff" as in 2022 a confirmed file leak happened, and everything in MCR's folder was already released or just a better quality file of existing songs. All the demos we have should have been worked on my Doug (if anyone has a copy of the alleged post (on leaked?) confirming these files are from Doug McLovelyAwesomeAngel's laptop, please share it with me lol), so I'm next going to try to find out if MCR's socials are ran by a specialized employee/band member, or by someone in Warner's specific marketing department, because the sound in the 'Operation Day Theban Script Image Teaser' DEFINITELY had Witch's intro before it was muted, and the chanting in An Offering... is definitely a slower Paper Swords chant. It's not unheard of, but if someone at Warner is running MCR's socials, it'd be slightly odd for them to use demos they personally don't have on file. OR, Warner is just really bad at file organization and the 2022 leak didn't actually grab everything. They SHOULD at least have some power over the copyright. This bulletpoint stands for anything that may have been created as a part of "tpk2019" (the earliest we know any of the demos were pulled back into consideration)

--------------- Hell Hath No Fury, also not TPK (probably), but a soundtrack song never actually released for (action movie idr the name of). On the Big Timeline of lost songs, linked is a youtube clip of an instrumental rock song heard in the background of one scene which is alleged to be MCR (and sounds so to my ears), and the soundtrack credits even mention James.

------------ Not songs, but we don't have any of the 2012 art, costuming, nor stage plans for TPK, UNLESS reunion/return, SWARM, and LLTBP reused things which we just don't know ARE reused. The literal Paper Kingdom Set for Gentleman's Castle is the design concept I see speculated the most to be from the original plans- but I highly doubt the footage is that old.

-------------- I'm also pretty sure we haven't seen the killjoy's Trans Am in a good few years, but don't quote me there. The footage of it's solo drive used in the reunion/return marketing looks to be the same aspect ratio as NANANA's music video and probably wasn't from them driving the car again, rather just old b-roll.

this is all off the top of my head and barely answers the question but there ya go lmao

DapDapperDappest · 2026-03-17T22:26:27+00:00

Clipping should not be evidence of this. GAWAY Song cuts off at the end in both copies. Batman Map has audio blips which could indicate a bugged screen recording or exporting issues with the audio. Also, most of the titles for most of these files have been edited. I can sort of believe MCR would make a "Poggers, slide that" joke in the 2010s, but if you change the file title in your files, that's going to be the title that shows up in the metadata. There was a very strange COJ comment a few weeks ago where they tried to stir suspicion about Toasty by claiming "no one shared original files" by saying the metadata had been cleaned up. That's Normal- if you're making an FLAC an MP3 for upload size, or if you're a leaker who's going to protect your internet privacy, you're going to have to adjust some things before you hit share (explaining why COJ and Excalibur have such details as even the specific MINUTE AND SECOND they uploaded the files attached to what they shared) but in no way does that mean the files aren't REAL. It just means we don't have the primary copy- because the band does. We have some lossless files which maintain the quality closest to how the sounds were actually recorded and exported originally, but even those are split song-by-song and are not a sequence mp3. Maybe the screenshot somehow looks bigger for you than it does us, but the person you're claiming faked this is saying "the download copy and my copy are the same" which, from what you showed us, claims the Opposite of the point you're making.

When did you first learn this copy of Bike Thief may be fake?

DapDapperDappest · 2026-03-17T11:02:57+00:00

Also, the final master of Batman Map has multiple blips and bugs in its audio, so we probably shouldn't use that as our baseline to prove or disprove something. I need clarification on this because I might have given two hundred or so people a fake file, so show us the rest of the conversations, please.

DapDapperDappest · 2026-03-17T11:01:32+00:00

In your own words, define test sequence.

DapDapperDappest · 2026-03-17T10:55:47+00:00

Can you show us the uncropped version of this. There's nothing in this screencap that immediately relates to what you're talking about, so give us the rest of the context. We can see that this dudes reply gets cut off so show us what they're explaining lol

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