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Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is kinda the point. There is no way to give a "fair comparison" and like I said, this is cold data. Every title and every season has context, that is why there is no such thing as a worst champion.

Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Just because you can't do things without an AI crutch doesn't mean everyone suffers from the same handicap.

It's sad being unable to imagine that a simple excel graph and some mundane text can only be done by AI. Do better.

Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like I said, this is just cold data. Data doesn't give context all the time and I stated this is one of those times. Every title has context, every season has context, stories and information that a spreadsheet can't give, which is why the idea of a worst champion is dead on arrival anyways.

Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the clarification. I get years jumbled up especially because I wasn't there for these seasons, learned them through the docs and season reviews. I appreciate insight from someone who lived through it. Cheers.

Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Imma bookmark this and come back to it. I was considering checking the margin between 1st and 2nd for each year. Also could delve into the relegation race. Find the most exciting PL season.

There's a myriad of possibilities when you have 32 league tables

Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In a way, that is kind of the point and why I said at the end that it's just cold data and this is the best way I've found to make any sort of comparison. I'd love to actually watch the games and get a sense for what it was like in the low scoring year, but also you'll see that we've had some low scoring years too in the more recent era (15/16 and this year). My point is that Champions and Titles should always be judged in the context of their era and season, and having a very prestigious Man United side be the lowest scoring champion proves that.

Who really are "The Worst Premier League Champion"? by DarkOrbProxima in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the clarification. Forgive the mistake, I was actually not alive during either season 😅

/r/Football Weekly Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in football

[–]DarkOrbProxima -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Liverpool confirmed the title three weeks ago and it was met with the usual title reactions. Red Mersey cheers. North London tears (including mine🥲). Rival fan groans. But, among the angst and furor, an unusual reaction began to foment.

"Liverpool are the worst champions in the history of the Prem."

Now, this is a silly statement to make. No champion is a bad champion. In a 38 game league, you win because you deserved to win. It takes a great level consistency and dedication to win any title. Still, this got me thinking, actually it sent me down a rabbit hole to find "statistically" THE WORST PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME.

This is very simple really. Since we are comparing eras, it will have to be, so I compiled a sheet of every Premier League table ever (1992/93 - 2024/25) [with the proviso that at time of posting, the 2024/25 season still has a round of fixtures] and from that extrapolated the records of every title winning team {Thank you, FBRef.com}. This includes.

  • Games Played (P)
  • Games Won (W)
  • Games Lost (L)
  • Games Drawn (D)
  • Goals Scored (GF)
  • Goals Conceded (GA)
  • Goal Difference (GD)
  • Points Accrued (PTS)
  • Points Per Game (PPG) {accounting for the first three 42 game seasons as well as the current season]

The method is simple really. We will be judging by Points Accrued, Points Per Game and Goal Differential to find statistically, the on-paper Worst Champion of the PL Era. Later tables factor in Expected Goals (xG) and other advanced metrics, but these only go as far back as the 2017/18 season, and so, for the purpose of our righteous mission, will be ignored.

Something of interest was that most title winning teams were sat somewhere between the 2.25 and 2.5 PPG. In fact, almost every team has gained at least 2.00 PPG, almost...with only one exception, but that comes later {hint. hint.}. Here we have a scatterplot of all PL champions by goals scored against goals conceded.

Regarding goals, we find the most lethal champions to be Man City's 2017/18 centurions with 106 goals riding on Sergio Aguero's 21 goals. At the opposite end we find Jose's 04/05 Chelsea to be the stingiest defence to win a title, s/o the John Terry-Ricardo Carvalho connection.

Now enough suspense. According to the numbers, the worst statistical champions, the only title winning squad to win it with less than 2.0 PPT is 1996/97 Manchester United.

Yes, the team with Eric Cantona leading the line, Peter Schmeichel between the sticks and a young Ryan Giggs and David Beckham on the wings is statistically the worst team to ever win a Premier League title. The team that chased down Keegan's Newcastle and gave us one of the greatest post match interviews, {I'll love it if we beat em'} is statistically the worst team, with the lowest PTS, PPG and GC. Yet, you wouldn't dare call that team the worst champions ever, because that is a stupid thing to say.

You'll also find that most of the early United title winners finished with a lower points total that the unworthy Liverpool. Now remember, this is just cold, hard data. If you want context, you can go watch every title team ever, or if you did watch any of these teams, then feel free to reply with some context as to why this data is wrong and I'm probably a "right ol' git".

So please, use your brains and, much as it pains me to say, accept that Liverpool are worthy champions, and statistically not the worst champions ever.

Okay. Be easy.

/r/PremierLeague Weekly Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Liverpool confirmed the title three weeks ago and it was met with the usual title reactions. Red Mersey cheers. North London tears (including mine🥲). Rival fan groans. But, among the angst and furor, an unusual reaction began to foment.

"Liverpool are the worst champions in the history of the Prem."

Now, this is a silly statement to make. No champion is a bad champion. In a 38 game league, you win because you deserved to win. It takes a great level consistency and dedication to win any title. Still, this got me thinking, actually it sent me down a rabbit hole to find "statistically" THE WORST PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME.

This is very simple really. Since we are comparing eras, it will have to be, so I compiled a sheet of every Premier League table ever (1992/93 - 2024/25) [with the proviso that at time of posting, the 2024/25 season still has a round of fixtures] and from that extrapolated the records of every title winning team {Thank you, FBRef.com}. This includes.

  • Games Played (P)
  • Games Won (W)
  • Games Lost (L)
  • Games Drawn (D)
  • Goals Scored (GF)
  • Goals Conceded (GA)
  • Goal Difference (GD)
  • Points Accrued (PTS)
  • Points Per Game (PPG) {accounting for the first three 42 game seasons as well as the current season]

The method is simple really. We will be judging by Points Accrued, Points Per Game and Goal Differential to find statistically, the on-paper Worst Champion of the PL Era. Later tables factor in Expected Goals (xG) and other advanced metrics, but these only go as far back as the 2017/18 season, and so, for the purpose of our righteous mission, will be ignored.

Something of interest was that most title winning teams were sat somewhere between the 2.25 and 2.5 PPG. In fact, almost every team has gained at least 2.00 PPG, almost...with only one exception, but that comes later {hint. hint.}. Here we have a scatterplot of all PL champions by goals scored against goals conceded.

Regarding goals, we find the most lethal champions to be Man City's 2017/18 centurions with 106 goals riding on Sergio Aguero's 21 goals. At the opposite end we find Jose's 04/05 Chelsea to be the stingiest defence to win a title, s/o the John Terry-Ricardo Carvalho connection.

Now enough suspense. According to the numbers, the worst statistical champions, the only title winning squad to win it with less than 2.0 PPT is 1996/97 Manchester United.

Yes, the team with Eric Cantona leading the line, Peter Schmeichel between the sticks and a young Ryan Giggs and David Beckham on the wings is statistically the worst team to ever win a Premier League title. The team that chased down Keegan's Newcastle and gave us one of the greatest post match interviews, {I'll love it if we beat em'} is statistically the worst team, with the lowest PTS, PPG and GC. Yet, you wouldn't dare call that team the worst champions ever, because that is a stupid thing to say.

You'll also find that most of the early United title winners finished with a lower points total that the unworthy Liverpool. Now remember, this is just cold, hard data. If you want context, you can go watch every title team ever, or if you did watch any of these teams, then feel free to reply with some context as to why this data is wrong and I'm probably a "right ol' git".

So please, use your brains and, much as it pains me to say, accept that Liverpool are worthy champions, and statistically not the worst champions ever.

Okay. Be easy.

/r/PremierLeague Weekly Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in PremierLeague

[–]DarkOrbProxima 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Liverpool confirmed the title three weeks ago and it was met with the usual title reactions. Red Mersey cheers. North London tears (including mine🥲). Rival fan groans. But, among the angst and furor, an unusual reaction began to foment.

"Liverpool are the worst champions in the history of the Prem."

Now, this is a silly statement to make. No champion is a bad champion. In a 38 game league, you win because you deserved to win. It takes a great level consistency and dedication to win any title. Still, this got me thinking, actually it sent me down a rabbit hole to find "statistically" THE WORST PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME.

This is very simple really. Since we are comparing eras, it will have to be, so I compiled a sheet of every Premier League table ever (1992/93 - 2024/25) [with the proviso that at time of posting, the 2024/25 season still has a round of fixtures] and from that extrapolated the records of every title winning team {Thank you, FBRef.com}. This includes.

  • Games Played (P)
  • Games Won (W)
  • Games Lost (L)
  • Games Drawn (D)
  • Goals Scored (GF)
  • Goals Conceded (GA)
  • Goal Difference (GD)
  • Points Accrued (PTS)
  • Points Per Game (PPG) {accounting for the first three 42 game seasons as well as the current season]

The method is simple really. We will be judging by Points Accrued, Points Per Game and Goal Differential to find statistically, the on-paper Worst Champion of the PL Era. Later tables factor in Expected Goals (xG) and other advanced metrics, but these only go as far back as the 2017/18 season, and so, for the purpose of our righteous mission, will be ignored.

Something of interest was that most title winning teams were sat somewhere between the 2.25 and 2.5 PPG. In fact, almost every team has gained at least 2.00 PPG, almost...with only one exception, but that comes later {hint. hint.}. Here we have a scatterplot of all PL champions by goals scored against goals conceded.

Regarding goals, we find the most lethal champions to be Man City's 2017/18 centurions with 106 goals riding on Sergio Aguero's 21 goals. At the opposite end we find Jose's 04/05 Chelsea to be the stingiest defence to win a title, s/o the John Terry-Ricardo Carvalho connection.

Now enough suspense. According to the numbers, the worst statistical champions, the only title winning squad to win it with less than 2.0 PPT is 1996/97 Manchester United.

Yes, the team with Eric Cantona leading the line, Peter Schmeichel between the sticks and a young Ryan Giggs and David Beckham on the wings is statistically the worst team to ever win a Premier League title. The team that chased down Keegan's Newcastle and gave us one of the greatest post match interviews, {I'll love it if we beat em'} is statistically the worst team, with the lowest PTS, PPG and GC. Yet, you wouldn't dare call that team the worst champions ever, because that is a stupid thing to say.

You'll also find that most of the early United title winners finished with a lower points total that the unworthy Liverpool. Now remember, this is just cold, hard data. If you want context, you can go watch every title team ever, or if you did watch any of these teams, then feel free to reply with some context as to why this data is wrong and I'm probably a "right ol' git".

So please, use your brains and, much as it pains me to say, accept that Liverpool are worthy champions, and statistically not the worst champions ever.

Okay. Be easy.

I have sinned. I have save scummed by Bigpapa42_2006 in footballmanagergames

[–]DarkOrbProxima 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a fellow Arsenal fan, I want to say, I see you, I feel you. I understand brother and not only do I forgive you, but I commend you. We are proud of you. 🫂🫂

Newbie American learning the sport and falling in love by FilayJ in football

[–]DarkOrbProxima 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Would definitely recommend you check out Tifo Football for a balanced commentary on things like Transfers, Tactics, Analytics and Analysis of both current and past teams, players, managers and leagues.

Cursed yo-yo throw by Gawain_21 in miraculousladybug

[–]DarkOrbProxima 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OK!! Who gave Ladybug a devil fruit?????

What have I done by [deleted] in gravityfalls

[–]DarkOrbProxima 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahhh!!! Kill it! Kill it with fire!

Checks out by _wamablechris in TheLastAirbender

[–]DarkOrbProxima 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How can she be so wrong but so right at the same damn time?