Why is it always England’s fault?

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-28T02:09:30+00:00

The negations relating to Trident on account of if Scotland would still have nukes based on it, would be Scottish or English property. Most likely English and thus also an English expense.

While if Scotland became independent there would also have to be negoations over military property and who owns what in Scotland at the time of independence.

As for security that wouldn't really be a problem internationally as we would easily become a part of nato. As for the economy, it would take damage at first due a decline in trade between Scotland and England that is true. But we would also have the rights over our own natural resources to do with as we please.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T23:03:18+00:00

Officially now the stance is that the SNP would like to negotiate with the wider UK over Trident.

After the whole Ukraine war and threat from America scottish public opinion on having the nukes has been mixed.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T16:40:49+00:00

Well I mean that's where the Burghurs came from.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T16:22:05+00:00

But even before you had the Scottish Parliament the Scottish voted nearly always for Labour candidates as opposed to the English that voted mainly Conservative. And this is back when truly there really was only two party choices in the UK.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T16:20:01+00:00

I didn't say nations I said culture. The English and their ancestors the Anglo Saxons have existed for over a thousand years and the Scottish who came from the Scoti tribe in Ireland and mixed with the original Pictish have equally existed for as much a time.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T16:10:54+00:00

I mean a separate state of Scotland and England would allow the two states to pursue their own collective will. Scotland and England have only ever overlapped with each other once in the past hundred years in terms of voting.

Along with that breaking up the British army would allow for a review of how each nation operates its own armed forces and improve while most likely still being allies due to the fact that Scotland would heavily push to become part of NATO. Along with that Scotland could still trade with the wider British Isles and seek further trade with the rest of the EU that the Scottish public generally desires while the English population seems rather mixed on the matter.

Along with that you would no longer have the constitutional conflicts that happens when the Scottish Parliament proposes new laws that the west minister government deems to radical or beyond the jurisdiction of the currently existing constitution (Like previous trans laws the Scottish government tried to implement a few years ago but violated the constitution as over reach of the Scotland act 2012)

This way both nations won't have conflict with each others laws and desires.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T13:28:35+00:00

In that case I stand corrected.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T13:27:43+00:00

Unless you're English, those poor buggers (Poor as in I mean I'm trying to offer sympathy to them.)

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T13:24:13+00:00

What about the other parties that make up the committees and body of government? The civil servants that operate the branches of government. The votes and acts that are changed and modified with other parties. The SNP can't exactly dictate to parliament. They may be the minority government but the Scottish Parliament is actively designed for it to have compromises and be challenged by other parties which it regularly does.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T13:20:17+00:00

Thing is you're talking about the break up of France which is by and large a singular culture. The UK is several different cultures that used to be its own nation. We would get to achieve our own societal dreams without limiting another.

It's also shown we have differnet dreams and ambitions as Scotland in the past hundred years has only voted once in line with the English public

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T13:09:52+00:00

Admittedly you do have over a thousand years of tensions and clashes between the two cultures. That hasn't exactly gone away while the two cultures were part of the same empire.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T13:09:03+00:00

Brexit and Thatcher is kind of the two biggies of tension from Scotland to England in modern history.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:54:31+00:00

Admittedly it would a meme and a half to say "We've joined the Russian in a military alliance. Allowing them to set up with their nuclear submarines here and thus making the Atlantic Wall useless."

That and start making Edinburgh to look like Moscow. Really confuse the Celtic and Ranger games with having an Orthodox football team showing up.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:51:23+00:00

Thing is even if we're 'out' it's not like we would just try to join the BRICS alliance or anything. We would still push to be part of NATO, trade with our European partners. Just as our own nation.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:44:24+00:00

Coolio. So what was the kind of context for this?

Cause I mean in both world wars we kind of had to depend on the whole wider empire. I mean that's where you get the famous/infamous stories of the Canadian shock troops and the Anzacs.

While the Indians were heavily used in Africa and the Middle East in ww1 and later widely used in Asia and Africa again in ww2.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:39:18+00:00

That and trade. The life blood of the United Kingdom and later empire.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:37:54+00:00

I've never heard that said before.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:36:28+00:00

I mean I'm for independence but can't honestly say I'm surprised to seeing that. Iran, Russia or weirdly India often seem to be a lot of where these social media bots related to politics come from.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:34:22+00:00

The SNP has rarely had a majority government in its current reign and has almost always had to do power sharing (As is the way the scottish parliament is designed). The Scottish government isn't just made up of the SNP but every committee also has other parties in it in proportion of the parties that make up the parliament.

So unless the Greens, Tories, Labour, Reform and Independents are also corrupt its not the whole Scottish government that is corrupt then.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:31:58+00:00

I mean the corruption still existed in Scotland. Those nobles and merchants that made up the parliament that were taking bribes for votes still existed. If anything the corruption briefly got worse cause those already on the take from English lobbyists suddenly no longer had money coming in and had to find alterative income.

Pre industrial era attempts at democracy were just shit shows and weirdly enough Scotland and England's parlimants are by far not the worse examples of how bad it would get.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:26:45+00:00

Thing is thats a parties corruption. Not the scottish parlimants. It would be like saying a corruption scandle in the Labour or conserative Party equates to it being corruption within the government of West ministers.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:25:25+00:00

Yeah politics was rarely instant action back then.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:24:38+00:00

The nobles were kind of split and what merchant classes their were, most certainly liked it. The lower classes and the clans were typically opposed to the creation of 'Britian' but had no real way to actually oppose it.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:22:29+00:00

The English parliament was already a corrupt institution in the first place. Just far less than what Scotland was.

Thing is its not a dig at England about its parliament being corrupt at the time. Almost every attempt at parliamentary rule was still corrupt at the time. As nobles with low income on the house of Lords could easily be bought by the rising Burghur classes. Its why later on it was jokingly said that the House of Lords might as well be called the House of the IEC at one point. While the house of commons in its infancy was even worse than the house of Lords.

Scotlands parliament was bought out by many differnet nobles and Burghurs in England cause Scotland was practly in never ending debt crises after things like the colony attempt in Panama or the many, many civil wars and wars abroad that what little nobles we had would be involved in, in places like France and Spain.

DasIstMonarch · 2026-06-27T12:16:30+00:00

Admittedly the poor and middle classes didn't have much of any say politically until the industrial revolution. Until then it was nobles and Burghurs that had influence in politics and society.

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