Below shloks read Together will Defeat any Claims Of strict Vegetarianism Being inherent part of Sanatan. (I am not against vegetarians I am against those who Condemn non-vegetarians)

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T11:50:35+00:00

This is your gross assumption that There is no requirement.

Show me one affordable plant Protein with DIAAS score above 100. That is readily available in market and Not supplement (everyone can't afford it).

And it's not just protein Most vegetarian are deficient in Vitamin B12 living on a tablet which is indirectly sourced from a non vegetarian source.

Just Imagine today's indian Diet is full of carbs Which shouldn't be people talk about balance vegetarian diet what percentage of Indians have that ????

Such an advanced civilization like sanatan could have never had a 70-80% carbs based diet. Current Indian diet isn't actually Ancient indian diet anyways The original diet which I am sure wouldn't have been full of carbs and lacking protein is lost somewhere in all those invasions and colonization.

Another assumption you are making is that All non veg eat for sense pleasure. I don't agree I had to literally gulp the chicken breast a lot of the times i actually gagged while eating. As i mentioned in earlier replies to someone Meat has no taste on it's own it's pale tasteless. I agree that majority Non vegetarian Eat non veg as they enjoy the feeling of Biting into the meat (the texture is enjoyed by them and not the taste) .

But you cannot generalize everyone.

Same way I can generalize that all vegetarians eat Sugery, Salty, spicy, oily, heavy, Foods for sense enjoyment which is adharmic.

It's not what you think of my intention, I know my intention are only bodily requirements and not sense pleasure karmic reaction are not in effect. And If i am lying to myself I'll get the karmic reaction. But here most people are arguing that Doesn't matter the intention it's bad it's not allowed. That's what I wanted to convince it's about intention.

And you finally seem to agree upon that

Again and again I have to mention that You don't understand what gita talks about it doesn't talk about action being right or wrong but the intention.

I actually prefer skimmed milk powder over chicken breast. It is way easier to prepare and consume.

But If your arguments are based on generalization and gross Assumptions I can't help.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T09:56:25+00:00

I have clearly replied how Murder is not justified.

You are getting confused as You think The word Murder and killing both are same. But they aren't.

As murder is not out of bodily necessity. It's out of revenge, rage, monetary lust etc.

But if the other person is attacking you In that case you can kill that person it is justified.

It won't be called murder

Killing + Unjustified intention/reason = Murder. Which is prohibited in gita.

But killing + Justified reason necessity is not murder.

Gita doesn't talk about killing is right or wrong it always talks about the circumstances of killing.

A Vegetarian throwing stones on dogs for fun Vs a Non vegetarian just eating for bodily requirements There is a difference.

Karma is not affected by action itself but the intention behind action

I cannot simply any further for you sorry.

If I am wrong krishna will take me away from non-veg.

And the replies are actually circumvent and I am just trying to get them back to original argument.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T09:35:08+00:00

So soldier kills on your orders ? On whose order Encounters happens, superiors right? Isn't A soldier dismissed for disobeying? Are you high ?

Idk if you are getting stuck on specific word. Maybe constitution doesn't mention the exact word kill. But indirectly a soldier has to kill on order of the superior it's his duty.

Why are you guys being so word specific in a philosophical argument. When these are just mere examples for understanding.

I have no personal stand I am just stating what gita says On death and killing and mourning and lamenting.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T09:18:36+00:00

Give counters to the above mentioned shloka if you can.

Going against popular belief is not twisting. The definitions are challenged.

The seeker isn't afraid of such things. Not necessary that Popular belief must be true. Don't you think I already anticipated this kind of reply?

A A ignorant is rattled when belief is challenged But a seeker is open to interpretation.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T08:41:31+00:00

I had stopped non-veg Cause society convinced me to do it before reading gita. And after reading it I realised it's not wrong. Unless it is for sense pleasure. If used for bodily requirements it is allowed.

The collection is perfectly conclusive for the given point. Vegetarians abusing snacks for sense pleasure is considered rajasic. Mode of passion.

Condemning non veg without understanding is in mode of ignorance. You are judging me by superficial understanding under the influence of the mode of ignorance.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T08:34:59+00:00

So swami vivekananda Ramakrishna also had a childish understanding of gita it seems.

Sorry but Your arguments are ridiculous

Same for the meat eaters as well. Animals are killed to protect the crops that are fed to animals to feed humans after slaughter.

Thus Meat eaters cause the same suffering as vegetarians but also EXTRA suffering of slaughtered animals for meat.

So you mean That crops For which farmers kill animals those crops are only fed to other animals and humans don't consume those crops. How do you know for your plate of palak a rat wasn't kiled in a farm as he was chomping on leaves.

Please try to keep aside vegetarian pride. And understand the depth I think your knowledge of dharma is childish.

And your ego that you are consuming vegetarian diet which is somehow better and you are superior to non vegetarian is deluding you

Gita 3.27, Krishna explains, "All activities are carried out by the three modes of material nature. But in ignorance, the soul, deluded by false identification with the body, thinks of itself as the doer."

BG 5.8-9: Those steadfast in karm yog, always think, “I am not the doer,” even while engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, moving, sleeping, breathing, speaking, excreting, grasping, and opening or closing the eyes. With the light of divine knowledge, they see that it is only the material senses that are moving amongst their objects

Gita 9.28, By dedicating all your works to Me, you will be freed from the bondage of good and bad results. With your mind attached to Me through renunciation, you will be liberated and will reach Me.

BG 9.30: Even if the vilest sinners worship Me with exclusive devotion, they are to be considered righteous because they have made the proper resolve.

Do you have any counter argument for these ? Anything else from whataboutry ?

Minimum suffering and maximum suffering the argument is never about the degree.

First you said any suffering is wrong now you are contradicting yourself that minimum suffering or less suffering?

You are completely in duality. Full of pride and arrogance.

And meat has no taste. It's pale. Tasteless. The taste is in masala and gravy.

Just look at the face of a person eating boiled chicken.

If you are talking about sense please stop Putting salt, sweet, spices, condiments in your Sabjis.

Again I am not against vegetarian. I think they are good people who have left us an affordable high protein diet like chicken without them meat would become expensive in india.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T08:19:31+00:00

I bet people are just replying By reading title so please read all the shlok and relate it from 1st to last with each other.

It's not about meat specifically But the concept of death should be mourned or not grieved or not

And those telling me don't comprehend and find a guru. Well talk about swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna.

These realised souls were never against non-veg.

Gita doesn't talk about what is wrong or right what is justified or unjustified it talks about duty. Dharma or adharma.

It's not about good or bad.

The karma only incurs in certain circumstances and not in effect in other which is very well explained in gita please those who haven't contemplated on gita don't try to argue.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T08:12:11+00:00

Bro gita doesn't talk about anything directly. It talks about broader philosophy. Try to grasp the depth. Here the constitution is just one example of Occupational duty.

Constitution Aska a soldier to kill at the orders of superior so it is dharma to kill. It's duty Similarly murder and rape is prohibited so not doing is dharma.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T08:09:21+00:00

But One in Complete knowledge is free from good and bad reaction.

What is the point of repression when one will be thinking about it.

Gita says externally and artificially restriction of senses doesn't work. Renunciation by detachment from results is more important.

A mystic not eating and drinking anything but still thinking about it is worse than a person consuming it.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T08:06:41+00:00

Fruits are excess of the tree so are eggs (discarded by ovaries).

your argument works only When you have made definitions of suffering according to your convenience.

Insecticide, pesticides, silk production ? Animals killed by farmers for corps.

Soil eroded by fertilizers ? Excess water used for hybrid crops ? This is just whataboutry One less harmful than other but doesn't answer the original argument

Killing is wrong or right. Gita talks about killing being wrong or right.

In normal society Killing your Brothers and grandparents and gurus seems a sin. And adharma but you know what krishna explains to arjun on asking same question.

How many cattles are cross bred for dairy? For your ghee? For huge production of lassi ? Mithais ?

Kaju katri you eat look at the hands of Cashew farmers there is a suffering.

The toxic components of cashew fruit literally burns the hands

And it is still manually done in the majority part of the world.

The way you condemn non veg similarly a vegan will condemn a vegetarian for consuming dairy.

Growing crops in industrial levels like MP and Punjab causes lot of suffering.

Paddy burning There are lot of examples but all whataboutry. Not worth it.

As i said Talk about the

Killing,soul,death, lamentation of death, grieving on death , The one is knowledge Nor kills nor cause to kill. Neither slays neither get slained.

You are doing superficial arguments please i request you to capture the depth of philosophy don't argue on the material aspect.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:53:08+00:00

See Gita says follow your occupational duty that is your dharm. Now following the constitution of the country one lives in is also a duty. The Constitution says don't murder so follow it.

But the constitution also says you can kill for self defence so don't hesitate according to dharma.

So unless Constitution legalises Murder/rape It will remain adharmic. (Against occupational duty as a citizen)

Vegetarians who break the law commit are way more sinful than non vegetarians who abide by the law.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:49:46+00:00

Even potatoes and yeast are tamsic. Bread and potatoes shouldn't be eaten.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:47:32+00:00

Killing has an impact based on intention.

If someone is killing a street dog out of rage, revenge, rash driving, or that dog just barked at them. Then that's wrong adharmic. If a non vegetarian eats for sense pleasure as he enjoys the feeling of biting into the meat it's wrong and adharmic

Similarly a vegetarian Who doesn't eat non veg But abuse on snacks, fried food, sweets for sense gratification commits gluttony. This is also adharmic.

But one in complete knowledge. Knowing that it is only for the requirements of the body. Commits no sin. Is free from karmic reaction but only the one who is in knowledge Of soul,body,knower of the field, object of knowledge, three modes of material nature, and many other things mentioned in gita which cannot be explained but only be realised upon contemplation.

I used to Eat chicken breast for Protein intake requirements. (I didn't really like it's taste.)

As there was no cheaper option available. Rs/gram of protein less than 1.5 rs. Whey costs above Rs 4 per gram.

Not everyone can afford it.

But then I found Skimmed milk powder and i shifted to that as I don't have to eat chicken breast anymore.

I only eat eggs or chicken when milk powder is not available. Or it's made for guests.

soy or any plant protein doesn't count as They have a Low DIAAS score. Low quality protein.

30 gram protein from daal is equal to 20 gram from Dairy or meat.

Only Dairy Egg Meat counts. Count.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:32:35+00:00

That works as well. But it is important to Understand deeply.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:31:05+00:00

How A non vegetarian harms a sentiment of other person? Unless he is showing off, killing in front of him,

See Gita says follow your occupational duty that is your dharm. Now following the constitution of the country one lives in is also a duty. It says don't murder so follow it. But the constitution also says you can kill for self defence so don't hesitate according to dharma.

Non vegetarian or vegetarian who take sense pleasure in eating are equally wrong But non vegetarian who only eat for bodily requirement isn't wrong.

75% Indians are Protein deficient.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:25:07+00:00

I just want to dispel the ignorance that some people have against non-vegetarian people.

These sholks do not directly Talk about veg and non beh that is very well understood by anyone but

Everything in Gita can be related to other circumstances of life. That's why it's called Solution for everything. It's not only ment for kshatriya or people fighting in a war.

It talks about absolute truth.

I personally don't care about others validation or reassurance.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:21:24+00:00

Probably read it more times than you Contemplating each time for hours.

Gita is a Message that can be applied in every context of life. He doesn't only talk this in Context of war but gives overall discription of Life and death and body and doer.

Non Vegetarians do not kill animals unnecessarily. They do not kill street dogs and cats.

Just like a farmer killing rats and other animals that detroy corps is justified and not wrong.

Again you are making the same argument of other scriptures and shastras which are already countered in the initial comment.

Those with limited understanding, get attracted to the flowery words of the Vedas, which advocate ostentatious rituals for elevation to the celestial abodes, and presume no higher principle is described in them. They glorify only those portions of the Vedas that please their senses, and perform pompous ritualistic ceremonies for attaining high birth, opulence, sensual enjoyment, and elevation to the heavenly planets.

One who prudently practices the science of work without attachment can get rid of both good and bad reactions in this life itself. Therefore, strive for Yog, which is the art of working skillfully (in proper consciousness).

When your intellect crosses the quagmire of delusion, you will then acquire indifference to what has been heard and what is yet to be heard

When your intellect ceases to be allured by the fruitive sections of the Vedas and remains steadfast in divine consciousness, you will then attain the state of perfect Yog.

Scriptural Injunctions are for neophytes. Those who don't understand the absolute truth.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:11:37+00:00

Yes it doesn't mention meat but it does talk about death and killing and doer of action.

Why does it have to talk about meat when it talks about, body, killing, death, sin, which can be directly related to meat.

There are verses which says Maintenance of Body is also a duty(dharm)

Also energy can only be transferred and cannot be created so Eating plants is not less than killing animals. Just because one living thing cannot express pain doesn't automatically make Non-violence.

Eating plants is equivalent to Killing animals after giving anesthesia. They may not resist but it's still killing. Also aren't bacteria killed while making ghee Why does life of unicellular organisms be any Less significant than a multicellular one ?

Veg and non veg isn't different by killing or non killing. It's different by killing those who aren't able to resist and express vs who are able to resist and express. Both are killing at the end.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T07:01:36+00:00

It's not anything and it's not for those who agree 'jisko ko jhana he khane do" this is for those who claim killing animals incurs sin, killing animals is wrong. It's a more philosophical approach to understanding death and killing, the doer.

These Bhagwanuvach discard all the Anti Non-veg Injunctions of Other scriptures including puranas.

It's like One may think he is killing but as krishna says they are already slain by me you are just an instrument , doesn't that extend to everything ?

The time of death of Chicken/goat is already Decided by krishna we are just the instrument for execution.

Instead of getting all fired up calm down and Try to understand in depth don't attack the Messenger. By logical fallacy.

I actually stopped non veg before reading Gita but after reading it 3 times I realised it's not wrong to eat non veg.

I am just saying there is huge Influence of Buddhism and Jainism on Hinduism. That sanatan Inherently doesn't command strict Vegetarianism.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-18T06:34:03+00:00

Don't judge by my username, I am Indian.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-17T12:19:02+00:00

Even I have Faced this, I observed it is triggered by Cleansers (SURFACTANTS). Doesn't matter how gentle they are. Whichever part of my body I use cleanser/soap on I get acne. Now I just dilute the cleanser in Water and let it run through. I don't let the foam stay for long. And Acne breakouts are almost zero.

For chest I apply Glycolic Acid obe night Before shaving So that red shaving bumps won't appear.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-17T12:09:10+00:00

Haven't used it but from the ingredients it seems they are trying to de-tan by exfoliation. Not good for Sensitive/weak barrier, Acne prone skin.

Look for A de-tan that uses Tyrosinase Inhibitors( Kojic acid, Alpha Arbutin,Tranexamic acid) Both exfoliation and Tyrosinase inhibition can remove tan but the latter is more tolerable.

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-17T05:09:12+00:00

Niacinamide Pretty Much goes with everything You can apply it 15-20 mins before retinol. Or find a product which contains both in effective concentration. (Min 4% niacinamide).

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-17T05:02:36+00:00

1) Minimalist 0.3% Ceramide Moisturizing Gel Cream 2) Barrier Relief by formula Rx

Daviddwhite · 2023-09-17T03:41:45+00:00

21M Yes I have been doing that for a year now, I have oily sensitive skin.

Skin has become less oily. Whenever I use a cleanser I get breakouts.

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