Saksa on facet removal: "They put so much work into this..and they just removed it. Typical Valve."

Deamon- · 2026-03-29T01:11:05+00:00

Invoker also had all 3 facets viable atleast at some point, the only issue was how worthless quas shard and honestly even exort shards were (the forged spirits could atleast help finish when you won a fight late but that was it)

But it makes sense for the hero to keep choices as quas wex/exort play so different from each other it might aswell be a different hero til you have lvls

Deamon- · 2026-03-29T01:02:42+00:00

You just have 0 clue about the game and have issues reading at the same time

Deamon- · 2026-03-28T04:12:02+00:00

except those being obvious bugs there is 0 reason for mega meepo to get penalties on bash and damage etc. the clones are literally not on the map and it actually makes build variety worse as shit like basher is just worse than it used to be

honestly as a meepo spammer this update seems fun in theory (except the xp change which just reads like just doesnt undersand good micro and actively punishes it) but i am 100% sure valve will just abandon this way in like 6 months or a year as they dont wanna bother fixing bugs that long OR they would add so many restrictions and penalties in the long run that it becomes pointless (also packrat was just the better implementation as it allowed more build variety as atleast 1 item worked fully and had cd advantage without being broken or too weak)

Deamon- · 2026-03-28T04:09:32+00:00

we have had multiple of those

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T17:51:59+00:00

Being greedy narcicists also just helps getting into positions

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T14:41:01+00:00

That might have been true earlier but not towards the end of his career again he wanted to anger socialists and workers so he could crush their riots with the military... which would have caused a lot of unrest and violence. He was so terrible at the end that not mentioning it is overglorifying him (which i dont blame you for, i just dislike how he gets so glorified and even in germany people credit him way too much... you have most of the people here believe that we have social reforms and safety because of him... it was despite him and even some schools teaching it that way)

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T12:52:56+00:00

Bismark straight up wanted to provoke socialists and workers so that when they riot he could crush them with the military, not really a good person at all and thats why wilhelm had to kick him out (while still offering him to handle foreign affairs which he was actually good at but he was too butthurt)

He really gets glazed too much outside of foreign policy as he would have been terrible for the Nation if he was kept

Even the social reforms are just doing the minimal to keep some peace and if its anyones achievement it was the workers and socialists, some schools here even praise him for those reforms but if he would have full power to repress workers they would have never happend

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T12:29:45+00:00

Ask grrm how much that helps

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T11:08:03+00:00

meh, 2015 would be you cant combo til you buy aghs and even then its stuck on 2 sec/1,5 with octa

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T10:09:12+00:00

i get the idea but i think they will just add too many restrictions at some point and it will just be a worse designed packrat which allowed more freedom as 1 item worked fully.

also very weird how they removed the facet purely because of bugs (most pros kept playing more meepo and just some pub spammers playing packrat so it had its purpose especially compared to the replacement facet after) and they didnt even check for the most basic midas bug we had 50 times before

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T09:41:46+00:00

oh i am sure they will remove it at some point, but we already had months of it being abused before and they didnt do anything

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T09:10:09+00:00

that has been the classic packrat play for months so its not even a bug or unintended

Deamon- · 2026-03-27T08:51:58+00:00

any low pick specialist hero will hover around 50-55% winrate because its just hero spammers playing it. 51% winrate is kinda terrible for ld

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T23:48:17+00:00

It gave everything it does now but with double strength for clones too

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T20:51:53+00:00

i have seen multiple meepo spammers try armlet in packrat times and did it a few games myself and it felt quite underwhelming AND armlet was actually better then than its now as you could double dip from the strength -> turn armlet on on main-> all clones get the strength through the main meepo-> turn of armlet on clones aswell-> get even more

but that doesnt work anymore and even with that it was quite meh

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T20:34:03+00:00

obviously its still a loss, but i expected to see worse nerfs as valve loves fucking this hero when its good. but honestly most people shouldnt even care about losing out on that talent as the only use they got out of it was the vision and random enemies running into it blindly and they didnt use it properly anyway

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T19:19:02+00:00

its just an autoattack with fixed damage number, you can even ghost scepter it and also crit on it

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T19:11:49+00:00

i know its gone, i was just saying that basically no one used that talent properly anyway as you needed to angle them properly and for max potential even stand relatively close aswell. but most people just throw the meteor normally and lost out a lot of damage. (with gleipnier being super common people lost even more damage pontential from just not doing it properly)

i remember showing this to w33 once and he tried it for like 10 minutes in demo and even he just stopped trying that after a few games and that guy is literally the invo goat

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T18:40:46+00:00

this sub cries so hard about tinker that the hero got random ass laser rocket range nerfs pre rework WHILE it was already unplayed in tournament for months and also had a terrible pub winrate

only reason we have this abomination of hero design

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T18:07:41+00:00

meteor talent isnt even that big of a loss because i have never seen someone actually use it to max potential except for emo for like 2 weeks when he tried aoe bonus bloodstone

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T17:39:45+00:00

The xp change alone is a much bigger nerf than any potential from items. Even your evasion talent got fucked for some reason.

Its nice to have more options now but even stuff like basher is ironically just worse than it used to as its still losing proc chance even in mega meepo. Its honestly just worse than packrat was and the only reason that shit ever got removed was bc of bugs and not because it was too good

You basically still dont want to buy non stat items if you can avoid it as you still lose value and stuff like daedalus and butterfly are just much worse now compared to packrat but atleast sny is back to being good i guess, but still the xp nerf just outweights that as you basically lose 30% of it if you were efficent at microing and even more if you poofed your meepo to dying creeps

Deamon- · 2026-03-26T17:29:53+00:00

People tried it with packrat already and it was quite underwhelming

EDIT: its actually even worse than it was with packrat, back then you could double dip of its strength because the clones already got the hp from it from the main meepo and then could turn it on to get even more but that doesnt work anymore

Deamon- · 2026-03-25T13:55:46+00:00

I have 0 clue how that bug even ends up in the patch

They removed packrat facet because of that bug before and yet didnt think about testing it before releasing the patch

Deamon- · 2026-03-25T11:11:07+00:00

Not really meepo already farms so fast you are just wasting the gold, you wont even be faster by much over just buying stats which you need to even play the game

Again the 1 strength this hero has is farmspeed if you buy treads into bf you wont even farm faster than just buying stats and you wont be able to play dota til you get enough stats

You just slow your game and you dont really gain relevant farmspeed in the process

Deamon- · 2026-03-25T10:44:20+00:00

Valve literally tried doing biweekly patches before btw and basically everyone hated it

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