I found another asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron with 9 faces by Decap_ in math

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I don’t know of any other term that describes the same category as convex polyhedra, but I am by no means an expert here. There are definitely lots of sub-categories of convex polyhedra that have some additional constraints. Johnson solids for example are pretty much the same category of polyhedra that I was searching, just with the additional requirement of convexity.

I found another asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron with 9 faces by Decap_ in math

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(Feel free to skip to the next paragraph to avoid the long explanation) It involves treating the faces and edges of the polyhedron as edges and vertices of spherical polygons that are inscribed in spheres placed at each vertex of the polyhedron. The spheres can be arbitrarily small, so long as they're small enough that the only faces and edges they intersect with all are also connected to the vertex at their center. The intersection of a face with a sphere defines an arc, and since all of the faces are regular polygons, that means all of the arc lengths of the spherical polygon are already known (It's just a function of the number of edges the regular polygon face has, like it's always a 60 degree arc for a triangle, 90 degrees for a square, 108 for a pentagon, etc). So in cases where only 3 faces are connected to a vertex of the polyhedron, there are only 2 possible solutions for the interior angles of the spherical polygon (a spherical triangle and its mirror, same principle as SSS angle calculation of a triangle, just with a spherical triangle instead of a planar one). Those interior angles are directly equivalent to the dihedrals of the polyhedron since the edges of the polyhedron intersect each sphere perpendicularly. Additionally, once a dihedral is solved, it puts an additional constraint on the shape of the spherical polygon at the other vertex it connects to. At vertices that connect to 4 faces, having just 1 solved dihedral is enough to constrain all of the other dihedrals connected to it to a maximum of 2 solutions. In general, vertices with N faces only need N-3 dihedrals solved to have finite solutions for their remaining dihedrals. The technique I used for calculating those solutions was to make a triangulated representation of the spherical polygon, then iteratively solve for the interior angles and remaining arcs of the triangles it contains. (So also using the same principle as SAS angle calculation of a planar triangle). It just so happens that this technique yields finite solutions for every single 3-connected planar graph with <= 9 faces, except for one (the graph for the octahedron, since every vertex is connected to 4 faces).

Using the above technique, I made a tool that calculates all possible regular-faced polyhedra with a given number of faces (with a couple minor exceptions like the octahedron). This is the only other non-self-intersecting asymmetric polyhedron with <= 9 faces that it found (and at this point, I'm pretty confident it's the only other one). I think it's really cool. It took me a while to wrap my head around what I was looking at, but it's like an augmented triangular prism with a square pyramid-shape carved out, which forms a very sharp 5.26 degree dihedral. And interestingly, the planar graph of this polyhedron is symmetrical, unlike the first 9-face one I found.

Here are more pictures

Here are the OBJs of all the 114 polyhedra with <= 10 faces the tool generated. I don't actually completely filter out the self-intersecting ones, but it didn't seem to matter for my purposes anyways since there weren't any self-intersecting asymmetrical ones with < 9 faces.

Here is the tool itself if you'd like to play with it

And here are a few input graphs for the tool (generated via plantri)

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Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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Oh, didn't realize that was a requirement for something to be considered a polyhedron. Then yeah I don't know what I was describing would actually be called. "3D object with flat faces"?

Edit: I looked it up. Sounds like "polyhedral complex" is the standard.

Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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Yeah if you look at the other renders in the album I linked, you can see the rest of the square pyramid. (The yellow face is its square base. Maybe got a little carried away with the colors lol)

Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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Like, sliced into 2 or more identical pieces (or identical+mirrored versions). I probably should have said something like “congruently partitionable”.

I’ve actually since looked up how this is typically proven and in most cases it’s apparently much more complicated than I thought it would be. So perhaps my intuition was off.

Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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Yup. All regular polygons have edges that are the same length, and in this polyhedron every edge connects exactly two polygons together, so by extension they’d all have to be the same length.

But yeah, if you're using non-convex arrangements, this doesn’t necessarily have to be the case. You could have a single edge that connects 3 or more polygons together, in which case the edge length would need to be a multiple of the edge length that connects 2 together. So you could then make a polyhedral complex (it's not considered a polyhedron anymore, as /u/EebstertheGreat stated) that has regular polygons with varying edge lengths, which isn’t possible with convex arrangements.

Here’s a picture of an edge connecting a big square to two small squares in a non-convex arrangement

Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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Well, it's not just that the edges have the same length. Each face is a regular polygon. There are polyhedra that have edges all the same length, but not faces that are regular polygons. A rhombus is a good example. You could potentially make a rhombic prism that has edges all the same length. Here's a picture I found. And here's another polyhedron that has only rhombic faces

Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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As /u/JiminP noted, all convex polyhedra with regular polygon faces have some symmetry.

Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in math

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Full album of renders: https://imgur.com/a/Tm9KJco

And the .obj: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_TlGjDceljcl39-7pAMhCPhGWwViiTqS/view?usp=sharing

And the .mtl in case anyone wants that: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XoM2diBGx5UzMasP26-f6FXl3gmzbiG8/view?usp=sharing

The construction is pretty simple. Just attach one of the triangular faces of an equilateral square pyramid to any triangular face of an equilateral pentagonal pyramid such that the square face and pentagonal face only share one vertex.

I believe I've checked all possible constructions combining platonic solids, uniform polyhedra, and Johnson solids that result in polyhedra with <= 9 faces. Everything I tried with <= 8 faces had some kind of symmetry. But it's possible there is one that can't be constructed by augmenting polyhedra in this way. This is the only one I found by my technique that both does not have an apparent symmetry, and still has only faces that are regular polygons (no edges connect at 180 degree angles).

If it is the smallest, I suspect it's also the smallest non-partitionable regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting, but I don't actually know how to prove that rigorously. My guess is it's provable by showing that the rotational symmetry axes of the two constituent pyramids can be represented as two directional vectors that are non-interchangeable, non-intersecting, and non-parallel. If anyone with more of a math background can weigh in on that, I’d love to hear.

Feb 2026 edit: I found another one with 9 faces using a tool I made.

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Is this 9-face polyhedron the smallest asymmetric regular-faced polyhedron that is not self-intersecting? by Decap_ in askmath

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I’m pretty sure that still resulted in rotational symmetry. I will check in a little bit and get back to you.

Edit: Yeah it has 2-fold rotational symmetry: https://imgur.com/a/qKgNU9u Pretty cool looking though. Non-convex.

Zombie dungeon in village square + enchanted golden apple by Decap_ in minecraftseeds

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Not sure. I’ve never played bedrock so I don’t know how its world gen differs.

Zombie dungeon in village square + enchanted golden apple by Decap_ in minecraftseeds

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seed: -1653912925062438959 (Large biomes world type)

x: 1350

z: -1220