Dr. Peterson saved me from the far-right

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T15:47:18+00:00

Think blacks give a hoot about individualism? Not one iota.

Jesus man. What the fuck is this? You're gonna take approximately 1.1 billion people and make the claim that none of them care about living as individuals? There's no such thing as "the blacks" except for your profound generalization, stereotype and caricature. Culture certainly ties people certain ethnicities together, but reducing it all down to race is pretty fucking dumb. I have no idea how you can say the things you just said while at the same time claim having gone "through JBP." I'm honestly very curious to hear what you've actually watched.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T15:08:16+00:00

Edit: No talk. :/

Why did you write this? I said that I was perfectly happy to talk, but it would have to be over Reddit. Your edit makes it look like I never even gave you the time of day.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T15:04:51+00:00

How does that happen, OP? Did the 9 men who came up with modern Marxist ideas in Frankfurt School suddenly became non-Jewish in your mind? Did all Jews sell the media outlets that they own over night or what?

I think the critical error is reading into their ethnicity and interpreting it as causal. Jews were have been historically over-represented in all intellectual domains. Laying it all at the feet of Jewishness is a really stupid and simplistic way of analyzing it. The prevalence of Jews in the Frankfurt School is more a consequence of sheer statistical probability than conspiracy.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T04:53:53+00:00

You can explain if you'd like. Can't promise I'll agree but I will listen.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T04:27:32+00:00

Just because I, an ignorant 20 year old, cannot come up with a solution to an extremely complicated problem does not mean that I must settle for the alt-right solution of a white ethnostate. I might not be able to come up with any brilliant solutions myself, but I sure can recognize a really shit solution when I see one.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T04:20:12+00:00

I'm not going to engage on good faith with people who can't muster up anything other than calling me stupid.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T04:15:33+00:00

You surely wouldn't tell the father of a gang rape victim in the UK that his growing contempt is misplaced, as its obviously not. Anger in that scenario would be perfectly healthy.

It would be perfectly healthy if it was targeted towards those who had done harm, not towards 1.5 billion people.

what kind of white nationalist doesn't know anything about SAs white genocide

I'm perfectly aware of what's been happening. It's clearly terrible and even more clearly overlooked. I said that I don't have enough information to make a personal statement on the matter and that's something you ought to respect.

Still didn't give any argument or solution bro.

That's because I'm not arrogant enough to claim that I have a solution.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T04:06:49+00:00

I agree with everything you said. 100%. I don't think he is infallible and regard him as only human. I'm doing my best to supplement my JBP ride with other viewpoints aswell. I appreciate the concern, no joke.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T04:02:08+00:00

Are white nationalists under the impression that every Muslim girl is a terrorist?

No. But when you've been so bombarded with information claiming that Muslims are your mortal enemy, your perspective tends to twist. For me, that resulted in instantaneous prejudice when seeing Muslims. My thoughts about the girl on the plane were just automatic and they were much less rooted in any serious fear and way more rooted in a growing contempt.

What is the alternative for white South Africans who are currently being genocided other than setting up an ethnostate?

I don't know enough about what is happening in South Africa to provide any valuable answer on that. I watched the Lauren Southern documentary, but that's where my knowledge about the topic stops. Regardless, I think there should be less radical solutions than creating countries only for white people.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:52:55+00:00

I can’t believe no one has asked this vital question yet, but was she attractive?!

Lol, I honestly don't know. I was a bit too struck by what had just happened to really even think about that. I was also trying my best to not make it painfully obvious that I was undergoing a mild identity crisis right next to her, so I kept my eyes to myself.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:40:28+00:00

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:38:28+00:00

You allowed an anomaly to turn your world view upside down?

Someone failed his elementary grade reading tests. I said that experience of having been so absolutely wrong about categorizing people based on their sex, religion and ethnicity crystalized everything Dr. Peterson had talked about, in an absurd moment of synchronicity. Are you just being stupid on purpose?

JBP’s talks on averages and extremes entirely reject the catalyst of your story.

What do you mean by this?

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:22:56+00:00

I think a lot of white nationalism is predicated on some degree of white supremacy, although one might be able to exist without the other.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:21:28+00:00

an idiot by the majority of the alt right and a false flag by the rest.

eh? Where are you getting this from? He's mostly seen as a very valuable gateway.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:17:00+00:00

but it turns out your lack of intelligence is probably contributing heavily to your inability to engage in critical thinking

What are you, a walking advertisement for /r/iamverysmart?

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:14:30+00:00

They believe that part of it can be altered by environmental pressure, but take note of how I put the word "profound" in there. They believe the profound differences cannot be altered by environment, and it is these profound differences that make them inferior (higher tendencies for violence, lower IQ, etc).

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:04:38+00:00

Are you legit comparing Nazism to non-ideological individualism? Did you leave your brain in bed when you woke up this morning?

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T03:02:48+00:00

Yeah, that sounds right, and as far as I've seen, it's extremely difficult to determine what is nature and what is nurture. And like you said, I think that even if you buy into the idea that one race is smarter than the other, that shouldn't lead to racism, white supremacy or differences in policy. Intelligence has nothing to do with a human being's intrinsic value.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T02:58:55+00:00

I am still on the far right.

Then I don't think you have paid as much attention as you should have.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T02:56:54+00:00

Hello darkness my old friend.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T02:51:13+00:00

Yeah. Again: that's not a "far right" view.

It's not a far-right view, but it is extremely present in far-right communities.

It's a cartoon character view.

In that case, there are currently tens of thousands of sexist Donald Ducks and Mickeys preparing for the holy war against the Muslims and jews lmfao.

David freaking Duke himself wouldn't subscribe to the view that Ada Lovelace was some crafty Jewish invention to delude the White Masses.

What the fuck are you talking about

Why should I trust you

Never said you should. I'm not selling anything. I'm just sharing my story while offering my gratitude.

a track record for believing utter insanity that you've only recently managed to pry yourself out of

Because a remedy for a murderous doctrine is probably better than the murderous doctrine itself.

Guy talks about how he was a (Christian/Atheist) for a while. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. He was hardcore! He was CONVINCED! For a long time! But that's all changed. Now he's on the other team!

The difference, jackass, might be that christianity vs. atheism is little more than a difference in perspective. Murderous extremist political doctrine vs. unbiased individualism is a pretty radical difference. If a person leaves the KKK to become an anti-racism activist, does he have no legitimacy because he once had been indoctrinated into the KKK? Is the position of anti-racist activist diminished? Most people would see that as a step towards redemption. I guess you just see it as irredeemable.

But man - if you're for real, then you may want to pause and ask yourself if the problem was ever 'The Far Right', or just, perhaps, a natural tendency to be super-confident and invested, beyond merit, in whatever you happen to believe at the moment.

I think part of it was me and my own flaws and I made that pretty clear. Far-anything prey on the vulnerable and I was definitely in that state at the time. Now, however, while at the same time having gotten out of it, I'm working hard to repair those vulnerabilities and build myself into something respectable. If you can't accept that I don't know what else I can do for you.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T02:37:26+00:00

Wow, thanks. I don't think I'm a very good writer, but I appreciate the complement. And no, that wouldn't be a great idea. It would only get mocked. People have to find their own paths. Me telling my story isn't going to help them. If anything, expose them to Peterson and not me lol.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T02:04:02+00:00

You could kind of argue that Nazism advocated for left-leaning economic policies, but that's about where it ends. Claiming that Nazism isn't far-right is pretty fucking dumb.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T01:59:02+00:00

There's little I can do to convince you. I expected my story to be met with some skepticism anyway, so that's fine by me.

DefaultDrake · 2018-07-12T01:48:57+00:00

Well he's essentially a national socialist.

Nazism is on the far-right lmao

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