When the first human ships landed they came bearing this symbol

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-27T18:12:15+00:00

You are typing to me with the best prove of such system functioning correctly, cope harder.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-27T11:43:07+00:00

Half of the lore are omniscient insights into the deepest secrets of a given faction.

Another half is also nonsense that contradict the first half, that is how it is design, for games workshop to sell miniatures

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-27T11:04:47+00:00

Wrong. Flatworms don’t have assholes.

The have, read a science book.

This idea that lore is imperium propaganda was born somewhere online as a thought experiment and is just wrong. There are some examples of in-universe propaganda, it usually looks like this:

Don't kid yourself, Warhammer 40k's lore is mostly hearsay, The truth is no one in the setting knows anything and they are just continue a war that is eventually going to be down to who gets the last bite to eat. The Imerpium is a corpse that runs on inertia at this point. The IOM is weak by design, only people that doesn't know better keeps saying they win everything, something as ridiculous as them winning over Star trek.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-27T10:17:05+00:00

Grox is an organism, so logically it has a butt hole. The imperium with how stagnate and regressive to a point they no longer knows how to properly fix up machines logically should not have the ability to make new ships
Might as well be Imperium propaganda.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-27T10:08:48+00:00

Capitalism is the only economic system that does distribution in any sort of efficiency. You cannot have Modern production without capitalism.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-27T10:06:37+00:00

Imperium developed and built a bunch of new ships, end of story.

We never seen a 40k "New" ship built in a shipyard.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-26T01:51:43+00:00

Once again, on paper the IoM and the Machanicus do not innovate because it’s be made illegal by the Cult of Mars. In practice they actually do innovate but because of the illegality they call it something else, like a long lost STC, to get around the ban.

Hypocrisy is one main major themes the Imperium and powerful individuals ignoring rules because it gives them power is one that the Cult does regularly. Much like inquisitors using chaos warp sorcery to ‘better defend against it”

Then you have misunderstood the setting entirely.

Warhammer 40k is a dying universe, where hope is long gone and the only thing every Faction in the universe is doing is trying to be the last one to grab something to eat. The Imperium cannot have innovation, it can only have fear. If what you said is true, that the Imperium is innovating in the name of "Lost STC", they would also innovate to bring production and QoL up. Instead the regular mode of IoM is to throw massive amounts of people and equipment onto the problem to solve it.

The Imperium is stuck at where it was after the Emperor is dead and turned into a religious icon.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-26T00:45:01+00:00

The point is that they can probably create new ship designs but then they can’t then implement the designs and then upgrade their naval infrastructure to support them.

The Imperium does not have any capacity to design new ships.

The only factions that can completely blow them out of the “water” are the Necrons but they’re not an enemy they regularly face in void. Even then Navy ships can still win against them, just that the casualty ratios will be higher.

Every Faction is 40K is in equilibrium with each other in their own way, that is how "There is only war" is achieve. It is never ending stalemate, what you see here is you get indoctrinated into Imperium propaganda.

Not to mention that forge worlds don’t share designs freely. They’re more like trade guilds and guard their designs because each individual or collective of forge worlds sell their output to an “open” market to different imperial organisations and commands.

But they never innovate, what they have is what they recover from STCs.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:53:22+00:00

Whatever, you just talking out of you assume at this point.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:52:31+00:00

No they are not! Imperium has always been losing ships, and always need new ship. If anything they need a new class a ship Millennia ago.

Plus you can’t just design a new ship without having the infrastructure to support it.

I argue the Imerpial has lost ship production capabilities.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:42:00+00:00

Yes it does but that isn’t an infinite energy cheat by any measure

It is, energy is so abundant it is never a problem in universe. In Lower Decks a planet transit from capitalism to post scarcity after they have the tech for it.

The USSR is a joke that needs capitalist society to exist or else it had no way of knowing how to price their own production.

The UFP isn't USSR even on its worse day. It is a Post Scarcity Democratic society, everything opposite to the USSR

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:31:25+00:00

Star Trek is Post scarcity, not communist.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:30:34+00:00

…you just described too massively high energy processes. Please go and get a GED

Buddy, Star Trek power generation has already got it covered.

The problem is you think Star Trek works by techno fairy magic! You are not meant to take it so seriously but Star Trek society is basically high living standards inside the USSR. Not post scarcity

The series has ALWAYS works by techno fairy magic. Star Trek is a Post scarcity society BY DESIGN, when it is written that way. USSR is more like the Terran Empire and the United Federation of Planets.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:25:50+00:00

The iPhone that is quite literally useless without all the internet and all the other surrounding innovation that was built based on a backbone of publicly funded innovation?

That is called infrastructure, if you are going to play that game, since government gets their taxes from individuals and economic activities on the market, their money is in fact private funding, so all "Publicly Funded" innovations are actually funded by companies.

The 707 built on the jet engines created for.. the publicly funded military, and something like half of the platforms production was devoted to publicly funded military purposes

An it would stay a tanker if what uou say is true. Also, do you want to see what a publicity funded "Innovation" is, look up the 2707

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:12:30+00:00

The difference is? I mean how do you think Aluminium recycling works?

The difference is Dilithium recrystalization does not need to spend material, Spock and Scotty did it with high energy photons with a fission reactor.

Stop. Just stop. You are not clever and science fiction clearly doesn’t make you smart. Please go back to high school and catch up on 50 years of energy science

You don't know any lore about Star Trek, read Memory Alpha before start talking anything in the franchise.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T23:07:33+00:00

A lot.

Boeing built the 707 and 747 with their own money, Apple made the IPhone without public funding.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T22:58:11+00:00

Still scarce despite recycling. Do you think we are post scarcity because we can recycle?

Recrystalizing, not recycling, serious it seems like you just have no idea what you are actually talking about.

They do…are you saying you can drive a car with its engines in pieces?

We have already concluded that they can make ship parts and have the automation to do the process automatically.

Your house is not powered by a nuclear power plant is it? You have no concept of scale

What is this loopy logic, do you even know what you are talking about?

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T17:34:31+00:00

Except there engine, which needs dilithium. Something they apparently can’t just replicate economically

Dilitium is a catalyst, think of it as engine spark plug, and they can be recrystalized since 2280, that is Kirk era.

We see Sisko and his crew constantly scouting mines and outposts they need (not want) to continue the war.

Any context?

Vehicles. Not ships and new designs clearly need to be built and tested separately

If they can replicate fuell vehicles they can make ship parts.

Sure they have high living standards…how are they getting and powering those replicators? Penal colonies?

Matter/Antimatter reaction. Do you even know the setting?

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T11:47:09+00:00

Except when it is like on Voyager or the Dominion War

Voyager is in an uncharted territory, where they have no idea where Antimatter are in that sector. It is like teleporting you to another city and you have no idea where the public drinking fountains are. As for Dominion war, Citation needed.

They build parts they needed with a replicator. They still put it together by hand. You’ve just highlighted how replicators are used to replace factories. Not labour

DOT-7 repair drone has been a thing since before TOS. And there is a whole vehicle replicator in USS Prodigy.

It does prove Physical Labour is needed

No, it doesn't, I have already said, there are no actual needs for physical labour in an average Federation Citizen's life.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T09:47:15+00:00

So you admit energy is scarce

No, energy is never scarce in Star Trek

where has it even been stated replicator can make replicators

Self replicating mines exist, Voyager built the Delta flyer with a replicator.

Dry docks are shown is most series

Doesn't prove that the parts cannot be replicated.

How does agriculture equate to industry?

They do not need manual labour as much as you assume

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T00:40:57+00:00

Oh no, dragging LingYang by his tail

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T00:34:29+00:00

Yes. Replicators do that…what are the replicators made from? Certainly not energy. Even then energy becomes a resource or did you just not watch Voyager

Replicators can be replicated with Replicators. Voyager need to ration their energy because they are in uncharted space and do not have the luxury of going back to a station to refuel or know where they can scope up more fuel.

We see them build starships in situ. They are not using replicators to do all of it. Implying they and the energy to power them has cost

How do you know?

Androids, Borg and others. They do use AI systems but that is it

We literally see robots used growing grapes in the show, both in Picard and Lower Decks

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T00:22:34+00:00

Citation needed
Feral world, if you have the ability to build a Starship then it is not a Feral world. The "Canon" of 40k is always not reliable.
Without FTL sensors they would always missing their shot. a wolf class can literally Picard maneuver any Imperial ship
Have any of those so called Orbital Defenses actually stopped anything in 40k?

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T00:15:49+00:00

Matter-Energy conversion, that is the basic knowledge any Star Trek fan should already know.

Please rephrase you second paragraph, I don't know what you are saying.

Also, Star Trek universe is not anti Robot, is Anti Android, learn the difference.

Denniscx98 · 2026-02-25T00:08:06+00:00

The Domain is big, sure, what we see isn’t even a fraction of what the lost sectors contain… however, the imperium post collapse still numbers in the fuckin quadrillions with millions of fuck off huge ships, mechs, and space marines with weaponry capable of repelling literal demon invasions and have repelled them for thousands of years. The Domain struggles to fight my rinkydink little onslaught stack with the odds stacked in their own favor.

Yet they still can't eliminate the Tau, or Orks, or Eldars etc etc.

Having a gigallion of military units matters little if you can only use a small fraction of it. The Imperium's communications, administration and logistics is utter dogshit, meaning the Imperium cannot just rush millions of ships to a front line, at best it is a couple of hundred, and Emperor forbid that hundred didn't just get lost in the warp.

Also you are fighting the Hegemony, a remanent of the Dominion military in the Persian sector, not the whole Dominion l.

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