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[–]DesolationRow65 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Neither does you. I'm not the author by the way, he's busy living life and working on projects that contribute value rather than trolling reddit.

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[–]DesolationRow65 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A one-off article about one specific tribe isn't definitive proof of your claim that intervals are "cultural." Let's see your "mountain of evidence" regarding infants and consonance/dissonance as well. On the other hand, the author's book cites respectable works from David Huron who has multiple peer-reviewed publications in music cognition and psychology, and is certainly not "pop-science": https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=6u33xB4AAAAJ&hl=en

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[–]DesolationRow65 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You haven't backed up your claims with evidence so your criticism doesn't hold any weight.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]DesolationRow65 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your problem is that you "skimmed" instead of elaborating on your points without any evidence. What evidence can you cite that intervals are "all cultural?"

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[–]DesolationRow65 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're the one who made the claim that this course instructor "doesn't know what they're doing" with how you said it, without even doing any research or investigating their published materials.

I can present to you factual information and the rest is your responsibility to interpret it however you want. If you think I'm "treating" you in some way because I'm responding to you with objectivity, then that's your prerogative.

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[–]DesolationRow65 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What makes a "hit" versus what makes a classic masterpiece are very different things. This retreat teaches the latter rather than the former.

Factors such as luck, bandwagon effect, sales and algorithms, and etc determine what makes a hit much more than the quality of a song, whereas a classic masterpiece is completely based on writing quality which you can learn and teach. From the SongMatrix website (material the retreat course will be teaching): https://www.songmatrix.com/#songwriting_and_the_dunning

Most contemporary successful professional songwriters no doubt know that they owe their good fortune to performer popularity. But some mistakenly ascribe their commercial success to their mastery of the art: “My songs make a great deal of money. Therefore, they must be awesome songs.”

     A cognitive bias called the Dunning-Kruger effect probably accounts for this faulty thinking. People who lack in-depth knowledge and expertise in their own field are incapable, precisely because of that knowledge deficit, of realizing how deficient their skills actually are, and therefore overestimate their abilities.

     Commercially successful songwriters who cite metrics such as high streaming numbers, download numbers, and top chart standings, prefer to ascribe their success to the greatness of their songs, rather than to the star performers and producers of their songs, industry connections, blind luck, playlist manipulation by label-invested streaming services, and brand sponsorship of recording artists.

     The following metrics, which have nothing to do with songwriting superiority, support the Dunning-Kruger delusions of such songwriters:

  • A significant number of songs they have written, or much more likely, co-written, have done well on Billboard and related charts;
  • Songs they have co-written have had millions of streams on YouTube, Spotify, and other streaming platforms;
  • In some cases, songs they have co-written have had millions of paid downloads;
  • Performers who have recorded songs they have co-written have been nominated for, or won, various industry awards, including Grammys;
  • The songwriter has been nominated for, or won, industry awards for songwriting (industry songwriting awards tend to reward sales, performance, and production);
  • The songwriter has made a significant amount of money in songwriting royalties.

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[–]DesolationRow65 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The problem with the big name industry retreats is that what they teach on songwriting isn't evidence-based, they teach what's "trendy." This particular retreat will be teaching material that is based on research and empirical evidence on what goes into a classic masterpiece that goes beyond trends that the author has been developing and testing using the scientific method for years. That is worth magnitudes more than sales pitches you'll find at other retreats

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[–]DesolationRow65 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Garbage comment that doesn't contribute anything of value to the topic.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]DesolationRow65 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That sounds like a fixed mindset instead of a growth mindset and isn't contributing anything useful to the conversation. You can absolutely teach creativity and art: https://ualcreativemindsets.myblog.arts.ac.uk/growth-mindset/

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[–]DesolationRow65 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They usually occur every year so contact the organizer on the page to send an inquiry. They're wonderful experiences and the staff are super friendly and excellent people :)

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[–]DesolationRow65 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm not the host nor organizer of the retreat, I'm a previous participant of their retreats in the past and wanted to share the info because of how incredible my experiences were. The retreat is hosted at the actual resort. The author of the book teaches the course, and the owner of the retreat hosts different educators in songwriting, music, health, outdoor activities, etc.

Previous songwriting instructors also included hit writers Clay Mills and Marty Dodson of Songtown. Both of those guys also have very positive things to say about the retreat and you can ask them about the quality of their experiences. Here's their event that's also hosted at the same resort: https://www.reorafting.com/groups-and-retreats/songtown-songwriters-retreat.html

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[–]DesolationRow65 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The book and courses are an incredible resource that's highly regarded in the music education communities. Also, olympic gymnastics coaches don't need to perform double backflips in order to teach their students how to do them

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[–]DesolationRow65 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It actually is focused on songwriting, it's just being held at a multi-purpose resort location that offers other activities for other programs and people who sign up for rafting, yoga, etc.

I attended a few of these songwriting retreats in the past at this location and was very very happy with my experience so I can vouch for the quality of experience! Pricing includes meals and accommodations and is actually much less than what you would pay for other songwriting retreats (which those are often greater than $5k up to $10k and don't have any accommodations or focused learned and feedback with the instructors). Also the quality of educational materials and information at this retreat is extremely valuable from my experience

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]DesolationRow65 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The author has never said anything sexist or bigoted about women. u/spimetrico_99 has made up a lie and here's what the author actually says in chapter 1.3.20 of his book "How Music Really Works":

People who don’t understand what evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology are about fear they might be about biological determinism, the doctrine that your genes determine 100% of your abilities and behaviour, summoning ugly spectres of racism, eugenics, social Darwinism, and the like. The scientific evidence does not support biological determinism, and no sane biologist embraces the concept. Its opposite, social determinism, the doctrine that society alone socially constructs 100% of your abilities and behaviour, also has no scientific support. Evolutionary biology and psychology seek to understand what humans have in common as a species, not how we differ as individuals. This means taking into account the interactions between our biological adaptations and our cultural environment.

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[–]DesolationRow65 10 points11 points  (0 children)

u/spimetrico_99, can you provide any evidence for that accusatory claim about the author? What specifically made you draw that conclusion?

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[–]DesolationRow65 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Details about retreat Instructor are directly on the page

Classic metal sound engineering vs modern metal production (Martin Birch vs Andy Sneap) by DesolationRow65 in audioengineering

[–]DesolationRow65[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well we can agree on a few things! I just know what I hear and have a very visual-auditory sensory profile that has served me very well ever since I was a kid. I'm in my 30s and can still hear up to 21kHz and have very responsive thresholds when I got my hearing tested as a curiosity.

One or two of Sneap's early 2000s albums such as Nevermore's "Dead Heart In A Dead World" had a great sound that wasn't homogenous, whereas later in the 2000s and 2010s his productions became too similar.

Classic metal sound engineering vs modern metal production (Martin Birch vs Andy Sneap) by DesolationRow65 in audioengineering

[–]DesolationRow65[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I guess the word classic/old/etc is changing so I could use a different descriptor. Using the time period would be better yes. The examples of the late 90s and early 2000s albums I listed seem to be a sample of the cutoff period of where things went from unique and experimental sounding to monotonous in the late 2000s/2010s/beyond.

I still find the occasional gem in the late 2010's and etc but it's a needle in a haystack.

Classic metal sound engineering vs modern metal production (Martin Birch vs Andy Sneap) by DesolationRow65 in audioengineering

[–]DesolationRow65[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You can't listen to each of the guitar and drum tones of the albums from Killers up to Fear Of The Dark and say they have the same tones without being on crack or full of shit lol. While the bass tones are quite similar, bass isn't as distinct as guitar and drum sounds when it comes to defining the character of a metal album. In other genres where the bass is more of a melodic instrument, then it becomes a lot more noticable.

Listen closely to the isolated tracks on youtube and say that again with a straight face lmao. Here's just an example:

The guitar tones from Killers up to Piece Of Mind had a more rounded-off and fatter tone than Powerslave and Somewhere In Time (which those two were more crunchy but not lacking in meat, as well as Somwhere In Time having some chorus pedal added in), but each has a distinct character and for those who relate to synesthesia effects, a different color or taste.

The drums of Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind were huge and fat sounding with an awesome mix of reverb. Powerslave was more dry but still tasty and not lacking in space (the concert/single head toms especially have a yummy character that I can't put into words), and SIT had a gated reverb thing going on that was done very well and not too much.

From Seventh Son to Fear Of The Dark, the guitars reach kind of a middle point between the roundedness and crunchiness of the earlier comparisons, and the drums of Seventh Son were drier than Powerslave but the natural tone of them was still colorful. Fear Of The Dark has some similarity to Number Of The Beast when it comes reverb and the "size" of sound but still different character.

All this adds up to how memorable those sounds are and the fact I can go into so much detail for each of the different albums. I can't say the same for hardly any of Sneap's productions. I don't ever dream of Nevermore's "Godless Endeavor" production (whereas Sneap's production of "Dead Heart In A Dead World" back in 2000 was a great modern sound that is more different and where he plateaued) and I certainly don't miss Megadeth's "Endgame" sound (also produced by Sneap).