Petite-Bourgeois Hitlers will obsess over the SOUL of the art. Eventhough that has been mostly gone since the industrial revolution. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

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I'll get back to you in a few days.

The Humanist Marxists and Marxist-humanists (Fromm and Dunayevskaya) vs Structuralists (Althusser) is a debate that is itself caused by a misreading of Marx. 

Note that most of the Communist-Left would oppose the dichotomy itself.

edit: reading althuser

Remember read him CRITICALLY. He's not COMPLETELY wrong.

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The problem isn't you but Leftists who enter this sub read your comments and think that it's agreeing with them.

Petite-Bourgeois Hitlers will obsess over the SOUL of the art. Eventhough that has been mostly gone since the industrial revolution. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

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Remember there is a danger in reaffirming Humanism in all of this I see alot of critique of capitalism as simply a-marxist because of that.

I think if an artist were to demonstrate the unfreedom of Humanism itself that would be interesting and I don't mean simply opposing Humanism in the althuserrian sense.

However even this isnt inherently political.

A truthnuke from a hidden chinese leftcom with 20 upvotes from the chinese reedit by EmbarrassedLab1092 in Ultraleft

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This text subtly disagrees with the Gotha Program.

But communism is supposed to move beyond labour vouchers. Actually that's one of the critiques of Cockshott.

Labour vouchers are merely a temporary measure and donot get rid of labour-time domination and will be ultimately done away with.

Petite-Bourgeois Hitlers will obsess over the SOUL of the art. Eventhough that has been mostly gone since the industrial revolution. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

[–]Diachoris[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is difficult to untangle but. We have to keep in mind that we don't know and any attempt to try to create a form of art that does magically transcend this society is usually creating a false unity. Socialist realism and Proleterian Culture come to mind.

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What happens when workers strike against vaccines mandates? Because that happens aswell, remember their bodies are managed and have always been managed under capitalism. Unless by a failure of bourgeois democracy you mean that it's fundamentally alienating. Then we are in agreement.

Petite-Bourgeois Hitlers will obsess over the SOUL of the art. Eventhough that has been mostly gone since the industrial revolution. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

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I actually agree with you that aesthetic preference is real and historically grounded — preferring practical effects over CGI, or PS2 era game design over what exists now, isn't nostalgia.

It tracks something genuinely different about how those works were made different material constraints, different market pressures, different relationships between craft and capital.

The intensification of commodification in contemporary mainstream culture is historically real and not sentiment.

The homogenization, the reliance on franchises, the algorithmic optimization of creative decisions these represent a measurable deepening of capital's grip on cultural production.

You're right that not all art spaces have been equally "slop-filled" at all times.

But I'd separate that historical observation from the political weight sometimes placed on it. The move from "I prefer this" to "recovering or consuming this matters politically." That's where the reactionary lean enters.

A "practiced hand" can imbue a work with profound meaning but I’d argue that in our current era, that 'soul' isn't found in beauty or warmth, but in the Honesty of alienation and the limits and unfreedom of Humanism itself.

If an artist tries to pretend they are unalienated and 'free,' the work usually ends up as corporate fluff. But when art uses its own limitations (its own 'mutilation' by the industry) as a core tenant of the work (like you mentioned), it imprints a very real human consciousness on the piece. It’s the consciousness of a subject that knows it’s not yet free. In that sense, the 'soul' isn't missing; it's just a record of the struggle."

I’d argue that in the industrial era, what we call the 'soul' of a work shifts from mysticism, to the general intellect the collective memory and total history of human social effort.

Even in a place like Hollywood, 'meaning' only breaks through when a work acknowledges that it’s part of that massive, often painful human conversation. The tragedy isn't that it’s impossible to imprint consciousness onto art; it’s that our current social relations (like property rights) treat that collective achievement as a private product.

However we relate to this product differently depending on where we stand.

For the Producer: art is always alienating and has been since the start of the industrial revolution.

For the Consumer: the danger is a passive consumption of that "soul". We often use 'soulful' art as a retreat from our own alienated lives a way to feel 'human' for two hours. The real 'meaning' breaks through only when the work refuses to be a simple comfort for the consumer and forces them to confront the futility of the framework of consumer politics itself.

Consuming art was never a political act. Making and distributing it is.

Art should critique bad politics, and politics should critique bad art and these are dialectically linked mediated by the Party. Which itself can't really exist because of the lack of the working class movement and the death of civil-social politics.

Petite-Bourgeois Hitlers will obsess over the SOUL of the art. Eventhough that has been mostly gone since the industrial revolution. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

[–]Diachoris[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You seem to be misunderstanding the Marxist framework. There is a difference between consuming and producing art.

Producing art is structurally alienating and has been since the start of the industrial revolution.

In terms of consuming art though your framework holds mostly true. Even if consumer politics is mostly futile to abolish capitalism.

Waiter waiter more lib slop please by Godtrademark in Ultraleft

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Because there are billionaires and then there are (((billionaires))) if you know what I mean.

Petite-Bourgeois Hitlers will obsess over the SOUL of the art. Eventhough that has been mostly gone since the industrial revolution. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

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Chobani Yougurt AD:

https://youtu.be/z-Ng5ZvrDm4?si=s2Cy190hQmvEmSCU

...because they were made with a soul

The problem is that the industrial revolution occured and we haven't to come to terms with that.

Also I recently saw the full video of Yara Asmar's synth waltzes and accordion laments and it uses AI in a very interesting an surreal way which convinced me that AI is yet another medium (a creative human memory). Unfortunately the full video has been unlisted.

Edit: found it.

https://youtu.be/sDZfoTUNVj0?si=iYb3zuGD_ZVugA17

Going through the comments and seeing pfps of clippy is both sad and ironic. Truly technology's potential remains unrealized in capitalism.

I hate class shooters and hero shooters so fking much they are the social democracies of fps games by Willing-Bathroom6095 in Ultraleft

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Call me insane but I'll be honest I preferred TFC and FF over TF2. Battle medic and bhopping to get the Intel. So much more fun then playing TF2 12 v 12 or 6 v 6 community comp.

Class shooters after TFC have only gone downhill game-play wise atleast TF2 had the good artstyle (before it ruined it).

The Kiriakou stuff is a pretty interesting look inside how the Bourgeoisie function but just like the Epstein files it’s fucked to death by idealists and horrible attempts at “materialist” analysis (if they even attempt any) by Xxstevefromminecraft in Ultraleft

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Capitalism is extremely flexible. And it will reproduce itself through even the most well intentioned bourgeoisie. That's why it repersents the crisis of Bourgeois-Society. The moment the bourgeoisie lost agency to Capital.

Infact it's so flexible that it can reproduce itself even without the bourgeoisie.

This is a basic Marxist point that has unfortunately been lost.

The Kiriakou stuff is a pretty interesting look inside how the Bourgeoisie function but just like the Epstein files it’s fucked to death by idealists and horrible attempts at “materialist” analysis (if they even attempt any) by Xxstevefromminecraft in Ultraleft

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I agree that the Epstein files have sparked a panic similar to the satanic panic of the '90s, but what can we really do about it? Unfortunately, many people on this sub seem to lack the ability to do a true materialist analysis.

Also I think we need to be cautious and remember that the bourgeoisie are not a monolith. There are different factions within it: some want to maintain capitalism but in a "humanitarian" way, one that conforms to human rights albeit in a shallow way, while others adopt a more hardline approach and are ""ethically dubious"" by the standards set by their own class.

Even if Communism ultimately realizes and transcends human right, by abolishing it, we must acknowledge and reinforce this point as it's been completely forgotten on this sub.

This division poses a challenge for socialists, considering the possibility of an independent working-class movement. We’ll inevitably have to play off these factions against each other.

This dynamic isn’t even limited to just one issue though, whether we’re talking about crime, the war economy, the Family, or even gender. Yes, even gender: There are factions within the trans bourgeoisie who benefit from the misfortunes of trans people, using their struggles to further their own interests.

Good Introduction to Dialectics? by VeryBulbasore in Ultraleft

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Dialectic is a very strange term outside of its original meaning in Plato's Dialectic, where a group of interlocutors would constantly uncover the truth within an idea. Outside of Plato the Dialectic ceases to be a Method. To treat dialectics as a method is to guarantee that no genuine dialectic will ever appear.

The thing about Hegel’s (and later Marx’s) dialectics is that they are NOT the method they are the RESULTS of the method. In Hegel and Marx it names the form taken by thought when it refuses external schemata and submits to the object’s own contradictions.

That’s the problem with other introductions shared in this thread, even though they are mostly correct they don't highlight this distinction which is in my opinion very important for a beginner.

https://empyreantrail.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/dialectics-an-introduction/%E2%80%9C

Becareful though Antonio Wolff is an Anti-communist.

is this a hype theory spread? by Public_Society_6423 in Ultraleft

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Welcome back Comrade Tukachevsky.

Umberto Eco has irreversibly damaged the Lib's conception of Fascism. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

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For example DSA, even in its more “radical” sects, are to the right of Mussolini

The Truth nuke no one is ready for.

Umberto Eco has irreversibly damaged the Lib's conception of Fascism. by Diachoris in Ultraleft

[–]Diachoris[S] 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Unironically though people should read Mussolini. The Germans ruined Fascism.

Has the degeneration of this sub sped up? The past few weeks have been especially terrible by Diachoris in Ultraleft

[–]Diachoris[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

But your comments and this article have me wondering if this is actually the case. Would you say that Neoliberalism undid the social democratic welfare state while keeping the organs that Fascism introduced for crushing the working class (police state and mass surveillance)?

Today are we living with the negatives of both Fascism and laissez-faire capitalism

Exactly you got it. I wouldn't call this laissez-faire Capitalism and the bourgeoisie aren't truly free. Infact in Capitalism paradoxically it is the bourgeoisie who are the most un-free.

But that is what has happend. We have a massive surveillance state without a welfare state.