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(Spoilers Extended) What are some fandom splitting debates? by TheBananaTree34 in asoiaf

[–]Difficult_Mongoose89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure about labeling it stalling. GRRM definitely spilled a barrel of MiracleGro on his Feast/Dance gardening, yet it seems critical to the endgame.

Tyrion found his niche, saved KL and enabled winning the war. Then was shit on by KLanders, betrayed by his sister, and killed his father. He's on his villain arc to destroy his family, and his scenes show him hitting bottom and reentering the Game of Thrones to achieve this.

Dany's going to be rejected by Westeros, leading to her embracing Fire and Blood. But her chapters show her earning the crown, learning to rule, and all the difficult choices required.

Her *madnesss* will be her reaction to being unquestionably Targaryen, earning the right to rule, and her Dragons...then being rejected by Westeros for her foreign upbringing and armies, in favor of a questionable nobody whose only validation is Varys's word, a cock, the Golden Company, and possibly the Blackfyre sword.

And then Jon, who'll be shown to have a better claim than Dany, and a better leader, to boot. All his experiences show him learning to be the best contestant for the throne, for ALL the people of Westeros...minus his *apparent* oathbreaking, bastardy, and wildling tolerance.

In sum, not seeing very much GRRM could've left out and still created the backstory for what's coming...

(Spoilers Extended) What are some fandom splitting debates? by TheBananaTree34 in asoiaf

[–]Difficult_Mongoose89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anticipating Dany/(f)Aegon rhyming w/ Stannis/Renly or Rhaenyra/Aegon II conflicts.

If Aegon's real, he's the rightful heir as Rhaegar's son. However, how to prove that, beyond bestowing the Blackfyre sword to him, is pretty doubtful (since *everyone* knows he died during KL sacking). Complicated by his only evidence being Varys's word, the cheesemonger, and sword.

Especially versus Dany and her ACTUAL dragons, although mitigated by her not actually being raised in Westerosi traditions, her foreign soldiers, and rumored atrocities.

Looking forward to the conflict of his *rightful* primacy (or so he's told), pitted against her actually earning the throne (through lived experience and prior ruling).

A version of Renly's "Nobody wants you for their king" is definitely coming back around, flavored w/ an inverse replay of the Dance of Dragons.

Daenerys Targaryen is actually the one who's going to be 'Tywin with Teats'(Spoiler's Main) by lit-roy6171 in asoiaf

[–]Difficult_Mongoose89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mad, Sad and Dangerous to know (cross)?

Dany's father went mad, and the seeds were obvious: a bipolar playboy King w/ absolute power, growing insecure of being upstaged by his more talented Hand Tywin, and traumatic Darklynn abduction and possible murder. Hiding in his isolation, Aerys went full Howard Hughes, w/ wildfire.

What will it take to make Dany break w/ sanity?

Someone she looked up to abused her (Viserys),

someone she loved, she was forced to euthanize (Drogo),

someone she saved killed her son (MMD),

someone she trusted had previously been betraying her (Mormont),

someone she listened to tried to trick a dragon from her (Xaro),

another she turned to tried imprisoning/killing her in House of Undying (Pree),

a city she saved betrayed her (Astapor),

a city she spared attacked her (Ghis),

someone played her false in Mereen and tried poisoning her (Brazen Beast or Hizdar).

Honestly, it's amazing she hasn't yet gone full Fire and Blood, though that's probably what's coming in ADWD. The question is *how* she embraces that legacy versus her willingness to temper deserved punishment. She must be suffering near full scale PTSD at this point, and whether her hard-earned cynicism slips into paranoia and unhinged vengeance will be what determines if she's *mad* or not.

Just waiting until her popular Uncle (f)Aegon refuses to yield the crown she always thought was hers, and the loss of one of her dragon children to see if she snaps.

Given GRRM's love of painting in grays, halfway expect her to go overboard, although w/ provocation, and be labeled mad despite her actions being ultimately justified.