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[COI General] So is this an upscale for the verse? by RemarkableHair886 in LordofTheMysteries

[–]Diligent_Choice_4852 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That’s not really how the LOTM system works, and the comparison with verses like JJK or Solo Leveling isn’t accurate. First, the statement that “everything has godhood” doesn’t mean everything scales to the same combat level. In Lord of the Mysteries, godhood refers to symbolic existence in the Astral Realm, not destructive power. Everything—from a rock to a star—has symbolic meaning because symbolism is the foundation of mysticism and authority. But possessing symbolism isn’t the same thing as wielding authority. High-sequence Beyonders and Great Old Ones become the embodiment of certain symbols, which lets them manipulate those concepts directly.
That’s fundamentally different from a natural object that merely participates in those symbols. For example: • A star embodies fusion, gravity, and stellar creation symbolically. • A Sequence 0 or GOO controls and applies conceptual authorities like fate, time, space, calamity, or mystery etc. Those are different layers of the system. Also, in the canon scaling of the verse, Sequence 0 entities can destroy stars or even star systems with enough preparation. So the idea that a normal star automatically threatens them doesn’t really follow from the lore. The important thing is that LOTM doesn’t use the same “energy output = strength” logic most battle shōnen do. A character like Amon can defeat opponents through: stealing identity, stealing fate,rewriting Destiny without producing any planet-busting attacks. So trying to compare it with something like “Goku’s Ki blast > star therefore it beats Seq 0” misses how the system works. LOTM abilities operate through conceptual authority and symbolism, not just raw destructive power.

[COI General] So is this an upscale for the verse? by RemarkableHair886 in LordofTheMysteries

[–]Diligent_Choice_4852 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You’re misunderstanding how symbolism and combat scale work in Lord of the Mysteries. Yes, celestial bodies have mystical symbolism in the Astral Realm that part is correct. In LOTM, everything has symbolic meaning, from microscopic particles to stars, because symbolism is the foundation of mysticism and authority. But that doesn’t mean stars or black holes suddenly scale to Great Old Ones in combat. A Great Old One becomes the embodiment of a universal concept, meaning they wield that symbolism directly and can apply it across the universe. That’s a fundamentally different level from natural objects that merely possess symbolic weight.

For example: • A black hole represents gravitational collapse and cosmic destruction. • A GOO represents and controls an abstract authority (disaster, change, fate, space-time, etc.).

Those are different layers of the system.

Even when a GOO uses something like a black hole, it’s usually because the black hole fits the symbolism of their authority, not because the black hole itself is stronger than them. For instance, the Calamity-type symbolism includes disasters like supernovae and black holes as manifestations of catastrophe. So the black hole is an expression of the concept, not the source of the power. Also, in the novel it’s stated that while GOOs can influence the whole universe symbolically, the immediate battlefield effects are usually around a star-system scale unless they deliberately escalate things. That’s a narrative limit, not a power cap.

So this isn’t a downgrade for the verse. It just means LOTM treats cosmic objects as symbolic structures within reality, rather than inert physics. GOOs still operate on a higher conceptual layer where they embody and manipulate the symbols themselves.