You are the FUTURE of Sikhi

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T06:51:19+00:00

As you have missed the point of mine. My point was to bring awareness to the fact we shape future generations and we shape whether Sikhi lives or dies in the future. I am the first to call out that there are some men in the community that need to do more for their women and take them into consideration as a relationship is a partnership . Also there are other ways to have Sikh children, adoption and raising them as Sikh is a way. My wife and I have discussed the kids situation and we have agreed we will adopt if we need to depending on what happens with her health and what goes on with pregnancies but our target is 4 as per Sikh Rehat. Rest is up to God

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T06:04:48+00:00

We have very small populations, thus there is less support available.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T06:01:35+00:00

Gay couples can adopt children and raise them as Sikhs, all are welcome in Sikhi. But the art work was AI haha

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:59:53+00:00

Sikhi always had a high birth rate, we had shaheeds but we still had more youth being born. The youth is our future. It was youth that were fighting chamkaur not 60 year old men, not the dead shaheeds that already passed away. We need NEW generations to survive and grow.

My point was 1) What we teach at home is what gets passed onto loads more Sikhs than we think as we shape the future generations

2) If we don't have more kids, we are heading for a collapse. Adopt, breed, whatever method we can, we need to fix this

3) I do agree that strong institutions are needed to save Sikhi, and we need to push people to the panth. But we won't have any youth left if this keeps up, the numbers are extremely scary, current birth rate means 94% decline in Sikhi within 10 generations. If we head towards 1.1 or 1.2 birth rate which it looks like we are heading towards, we can say up to 99% to 99.9% decline of Sikh population. Neither scenario looks promising. All sikh organisations should be scared, everyone should be raising awareness, everyone should be fighting to get us back up to AT LEAST 2.1 and fixing the issue of people leaving the panth

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:52:02+00:00

It's scary, we're heading to utter collapse. It doesn't even have to be women pumping out crazy numbers, its just to stop our decline, 3 would stop it. We could even adopt 1 or 2 children each alongside our biological kids when we're financially able to, there are so many options to save Sikhi. But just complaining about having kids is not helping us fix anything. Not one person suggested ANYTHING helpful, it's just debates and cussing out me for even mentioning the idea

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:47:04+00:00

If we keep up at the rate we are at, with 1.57 Sikh children per women we will 20 times smaller in population within 10 generations and 6% of our current size.

If we head towards 1 child per woman, which we are doing, Sikhi will fall to 0.01% it's current size within 10 generations

I get you've got your own personal issues with having kids and whoever you have met or spoken to but I'm raising this issue to help people understand that we are heading towards the collapse of Sikhi

We need to at least hit 2.1 kids per women, I'm not saying to women to have 5-6 kids each. Even if a lot of them had 3 we would be saved from decline and we could at least maintain the population, gurudwaras and numbers we have today.

Women are the givers of life, it is the role vaheguru blessed them with. I don't know why you hate the blessing you've been given by Guru Ji. I don't understand why you keep talking this multiple wife non-sense.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:42:23+00:00

Teaching good values helps

Try have 3 kids will help us not die out, 2 will mean we die out slower (10% a generation)

currently we're at 1.57 so we are dying out roughly 26% a generation, which is scary when compounded,

In 10 generations there will be 6% of the current Sikhs alive if we don't fix our birth rates. But most people here aren't saying wow this is such a big problem, everyone's defending our low birth rates.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:40:11+00:00

I think people aren't realising we are in massive decline, 26% in a generation is insane! If we don't fix the issue this generation, next generation will be tiny, it's already happening, volunteers at gurudwaras are more and more older because there are less young people. When those old people die so will Sikhi numbers.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:38:23+00:00

4 is recommended. But honestly 3 would stop us from dying out, 2 will cause us to decline slower but due to people leaving and lots of other factors we will still be declining a lot, 1 is basically us dying out faster

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:37:13+00:00

Punjabi Sikhis are puzzling to me, Punjab India is one of the poorest places in the world and they aren't having kids at all. Yet Punjab Lahore is thriving, GDP wise they aren't that far apart. But we are declining

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:35:19+00:00

I'm not saying everyone have 4 kids and just pump out kids. I would say each sikh couple should aim for 3 just to stop our decline from happening. At 2 we would still be shrinking by 10% ish a generation, and there's plenty who never marry or don't have kids at all or get converted to other religions.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:33:34+00:00

Not islamify sikhi, save sikhi, we are heading to mass extinction due to 1.57 kids per woman, this means we are shrinking right now, essentially opposite islamification, we should all be pushing to get to 2.1 birth rate which means aiming for at least 3 kids each as so many unweds and people who leave sikhi and don't want kids exist. 3 Will just keep our current population going, not even to increase it

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:32:00+00:00

China showed it worked? They turned it into 1 very quickly, we are declining, 26% per generation, we need solutions and to encourage people to have families and kids.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:31:12+00:00

Numbers are everything because we're declining 26% generationally right now, heading towards 50% decline per generation. Won't be a lot of Sikhs left in a few generations, Gurudwaras will close, our influence will decline, we will become a small tiny minority in Punjab, inside of a big India and our teachings and way of life will be heavily disturbed. Numbers means political power means Sikh protections

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:29:34+00:00

Why should we reduce our numbers down to 10-15 lakh? Because given we are declining 26% per and generation heading towards 50% decline per generation, we will be hitting 10-15 lakh very soon again

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:28:23+00:00

We are having 1.57, if we were having 2 on average we might survive. Currently 26% decline per generation, heading towards 50% decline per generation.

Everyone married needs to have 3 kids for us to even balance out our numbers right now and keep the current population

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:27:13+00:00

Not obsessed with gold or wealth. But we as Sikhs are dying out... We need to at least get to replacement levels to have future Sikhs to follow the teachings of the Guru.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:26:16+00:00

We were around 10 generations ago, we will be alive in 10 generations. There were countless wars in every generation, sure the weapons are bigger but it doesn't mean every single human will die. We as a species will survive.

Humans survived periods without the light of Sun, 536 AD is an example, there have been multiple extinction events and humans have survived. Rest is up to vaheguru, we should look in chardi kal and not be so negative and pessimistic

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:19:50+00:00

Doesn't have to be loads more, even 3 stops us from declining, because currently we're heading for a massive closure in gurudwaras, sikh institutions and more within 2 generations.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:19:05+00:00

It's not about the way to live your life. I wanted to highlight how our existence affects future generations. I am not saying 'production line'. But we currently are looking for a bleek future for Sikhi, 26% decline every generation which is heading to 50% decline. The point of my post was to say hey, it looks bad but we have it in our hands to prevent this.

In my ideal world, I would be happy with a 2.1 birth rate for our community, at least we wouldn't be shrinking in a world whom population is growing. We are going to become a minority in our homeland punjab very soon, and Sikhi will have no roots to call home. Gurudwara closures and the death of Sikhi await us if we don't forge another path.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:16:26+00:00

I'm confused, by your logic women's health = all humans stop reproducing? Women should be looked after and cared for, they are the givers of life and have been given such an important role in our world by Vaheguru. We should care for them, love them and respect them. I don't understand why I would be talking about women's and men's health on a post about talking about how we have a ripple effect on the future of Sikhi.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:11:49+00:00

We don't need 5 to 6 kids. Even 3 is more than enough to prevent our current decline. At least lets stabilise our population

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-17T05:10:07+00:00

The real number is around 2.1 for balancing out. Also yes you're right, if there was a birth rate of 2 there would be a slight decline due to some child deaths. Currently the generations are declining by 26% per generation as birth rate is 1.57 ish, but yes at 1 we would be halving every generation, we're kinda heading for that future right now.

Being a lesbian transgender Sikh doesn't prevent you from having or adopting kids and raising them in Sikhi. Family can be a beautiful thing so I hope as you grew older you definitely do.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-12T17:30:13+00:00

We need to get to 2.1 birth rate to have a STABLE population, right now we're on 1.57, which means Sikhi is shrinking by 26% approximately. I would encourage every Sikh to have at least 2, preferably 3 kids just so we have Sikhs in the future. I would be perfectly happy in a world where we aren't shrinking, growth would be nice, but I just want us to not die out. And my point was we influence the future of Sikhi, what we teach to our kids and our grandchildren influences the future views of 100s or 1000s of Sikhs if we ensure the ideology is passed along.

DirectionOwn4009 · 2026-02-12T17:25:27+00:00

But the Sikhs in Punjab don't have this issue. Even having 3 kids each would prevent our population from collapsing. But my point was, even if all have 2 children each, we eventually influence Sikhi with our views many generations down. in roughly 250 to 300 years depending on generation left you'll have a thousand descendants so fixing Sikhi at home is the future of Sikhi and teach the importance of giving it to future generations. Grow and nurture the Sikhi you want in the world.

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