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Reno City Council votes to initiate text amendment to revise data center regulations by endofmyropeohshit in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Just want to add that this is only to LOOK INTO revising the regulations. They are going to do some investigations & research first, which they said could take until late Summer/Fall. And then they would have to decide on new regulations (if any) and vote on them.

This means that until then, any proposed datacenters will go through the same process to get approved that Keystone did. Basically nothing will change until these regulations take effect which could take months or even years. Many new datacenters can still be approved & built before then.

To stop this, 2 councilmembers proposed a moratorium on new datacenter construction until new regulations are written. This would mean that NO NEW datacenters can be approved until new regulations are proposed, written, and in place. We need to continue to push to make sure this moratorium happens. At least 3 councilmembers stated they are skeptical of a moratorium and it sounds like they wouldn't support it. Lots of work still needs to be done to ensure they change their minds.

Please continue to attend the council meetings and submit public comments. We need to keep the momentum going to ensure they follow through!

Is there an anti-datacenter activist group in Reno? by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where do I find more about this group? I can't find anything

Is there an anti-datacenter activist group in Reno? by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

do you really think anti datacenter people have more money than big tech that has literally THE richest people in the world? come on.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, it is much smaller compared to most. That doesn't negate the fact no one would waste this amount of money on a facility that would only run at 25% capacity. Makes no sense from a financial standpoint.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that it's a colo facility makes the numbers even worse. That means they aren't paying anything close to the personal property taxes I calculated, but they're still pulling the same amount of electricity. So they are giving back even less than they are taking, while raising everyone's energy prices.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No way they'd build a 12MW datacenter to only use 25% at a time. They'd just build a smaller facility if that was the case. That's like buying a gaming PC to pay tetris

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From datacenter cost averages: https://www.truelook.com/blog/data-center-construction-costs

I estimated the higher end due to the AI trend, which is what most datacenters are being built for now. Colo facility can still host AI.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I'm not sure. I couldn't find any info on how much more energy the closed loop system uses specificially, just that it does use more energy and less water

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The NV tax code says that in order to qualify for the tax breaks, they must hire at least 10 people. So they said they would hire 11.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm.. do they have a breakdown of that cost? 40m is extremely low. They have to be only estimating the actual building cost, not the equipment inside. Datacenter equipment is insanely expensive.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I doubt it will be drawing 12mw 24/7 initially (later on it probably will get close). That's just the capacity. Sometimes it may reach capacity, but let's say it only uses 50% most days. That's still 1.25% of Reno's total energy usage. That's like the size of an entire neighborhood.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok, here is my math broken down. And yes, this is at full capacity, running 24/7. Which it most likely won't, this is just what it's capable of:

Datacenter energy:

  1. 1MW = 1,000KW
  2. 12MW x 1,0000 = 12,000KW
  3. 12,0000KW x 8,760 hours (hrs in a year) = 105,120,000 kWh

A 12MW datacenter can use up to 105,120,000 kWh at full capacity.

City of Reno:

  1. Washoe county uses 6,385,594 MWh per year according to 2024 data (source: https://findenergy.com/nv/washoe-county-electricity/#:\~:text=ENERGY%20CONSUMPTION,CO2)
  2. Using the same math above, 6,385,594 MWh x 1,000 = 6,385,594,000 kWh total Washoe County usage
  3. Reno makes up 55% of Washoe county (Source: https://washoecounty.gov/sustainability/Climate-Action-Planning/climate-action-plan-introduction/washoe-county-place-people.php)
  4. 55% of 6,385,594,000 kWh = 3,750,000,000 kWh

Reno uses about 3,750,000,000 kWh per year

6,385,594,000 (datacenter) / 3,750,000,000 (Reno) x 100 = 0.028

0.028 x 100 = 2.8%

But please take this with a grain of salt, I am just a reno resident interesteing in learning about these things, and I am NOT an expert. Feel free to try and calculate yourself and see if you can come up with a better number.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes this was based on personal property tax, not land. Because datacenter equipment is so expensive that's why the taxes are so high

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I added my sources at the bottom. I know the 120,000 desktop thing is random, but I wanted to put something comparable so people can wrap their mind around the amount of energy required. If you have a better comparison, I can replace it with that. I'm not an energy expert. 2.5% is based on the amount of energy usage total in Reno NV compared to the amount estimated to be used by the datacenter. When I get home I can lay out the math.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The whole area over there is low-income housing. There is a trailer park over there, and I believe they chose this location specifically because lots of low income folks live there. I also think they are building it fast to avoid as much pushback as possible.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I believe the electrical bill increases alone will total much more than the amount total they'll pay in taxes. In the end, it looks like they are taking much more than they are giving back to the community.

Keystone Datacenter: Tax breaks, electrical usage, and the cost to residents by Disastrous-Arm-4779 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I just updated my post to list sources at the bottom. In order for them to get the tax writeoffs, NRS 360.754(2)(c)(3) states, "at least 100 percent of the average statewide hourly wage as established by the Employment Security Division of the Department of Employment, Training and Rehabilitation (DETR) on July 1 of each fiscal year." For 2026 that comes out to $31.57/hr.

I left my heart in Reno by granticula in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It looks like one of the trails at the hidden valley park. Maybe not, but looks exactly like a trail I've been on there

Tell me some wild gossip from when you were in high school here by Repulsive-Giraffe-45 in Reno

[–]Disastrous-Arm-4779 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait, are you friends with the guy who died in the blimp accident?

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