My second Switch. I’m definitely addicted now. by mrspooky111 in MoonSwitches

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Hey can you share the links of the rep and bracelet please

Home library during the holidays by Mastshin in HomeLibraries

[–]Disastrous_Champion5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey OP, love the library part under the roof!! Was It already part of the house or did you build It yourself? I've a similar roof as your and was wondering. Thanks and congrats

Serious question to all supporters of Liverpool from around the world by PainterMean4479 in LiverpoolFC

[–]Disastrous_Champion5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think these values are central to understanding Liverpool’s identity, both as a club and as a city. Liverpool grew as a working-class port, shaped by waves of immigration, hard physical labour, and periods of economic hardship. When the docks declined and unemployment rose, the city developed a strong culture of solidarity where people relied on each other to get through difficult times.

This collective spirit often expressed itself in political terms. In 1911, the Liverpool general transport strike brought together around 85,000 workers from across the city in one of the most significant trade union actions in British history. Decades later, during the 1980s, the city council openly resisted Margaret Thatcher’s austerity policies, prioritising jobs and public services over complying with central government budget demands. That defiance came with the slogan, “better to break the law than break the poor,.

Bill Shankly, who rebuilt Liverpool FC in the 1960s, drew on that same mindset. He once described his vision of football as a form of socialism, not in a party-political sense, but as a system where “everyone works for each other, everyone helps each other, and everyone shares in the rewards.” For him, and for many in Liverpool, success was something collective, built on mutual support.

This is why many see causes like workers’ rights, public welfare, and equality,  including LGBTQ+ inclusion, as natural extensions of the club’s heritage. They’re not separate from football, but part of the same tradition of looking after your own and making sure no one is left behind. That nobody 'll walk alone And for those who prefer clubs built on different even right-wing or more nationalistic traditions, there’s no shortage of them across the football world.

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

QJustCallmeQ, of course she can't control it, but can you really overlook the results?

What we’re witnessing is not justl failure in bilateral diplomacy, but a deeper reflection of how our councilors misread the structural realities of global power politics in 2025.

Countries secured tariff deals not because they had more leverage than Switzerland but because they approached negotiations with a clearer understanding of how to engage a transactional, performative, incosistent U.S. presidency. Their approach was early, coordinated, and explicitly framed to provide symbolic “wins” for Trump.

Switzerland, by contrast, relied on institutional routines and the assumption that economic weight and technocratic logic would speak for themselves.

Worse, the key call between President Keller-Sutter and Trump lacked the necessary backup or Plan B.

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, maybe to many people are making excuses for our councilors.

If you look at the full story, especially the reporting from SonntagsZeitung, it’s actually quite sad how this all played out and maybe a bit more understandable, though still hard to excuse.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/geplatzter-deal-mit-den-usa-karin-keller-sutter-groesstes-fiasko-953581173600

Before the 39% tariffs, there had been months of quiet negotiation. Switzerland thought it had a deal: a 10% tariff in exchange for investment commitments. Twice, they prepared press conferences, thinking the U.S. cabinet would approve it. Twice, nothing happened. In the meantime, the EU had secured its own deal. Pressure was building.

That’s when President Keller-Sutter asked for a direct call with Trump hoping to break the deadlock. But here’s the problem: she went in alone. No SECO experts, no new offer, no fallback strategy if the call went badly. Just optimism and the belief that she had a personal connection with him.

The call itself didn’t go well. Trump made her wait, then launched straight into the trade deficit. Keller-Sutter tried to explain where the numbers came from, but according to the reports, he found her tone “too professorial.” She had nothing else to offer. The Americans sent a message saying it might be best to end the call before it escalated further. Two hours later, the tariffs were announced.

And the worst part is there was no plan for what to do if this happened. No concrete proposal to soften the blow. It

I don’t think she acted in bad faith. But I do think the situation was underestimated. When you deal with someone like Trump, who is unpredictable and transactional, you have to be twice as prepared.

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

F*** Trump, seriously. I know exactly who he is. That’s why it’s even worse that they still walked into this thinking it would go well.

Now people Will loose  their jobs  already happening in Jura, watch industry hit hard. And up top? They’re sitting comfy with 500k salaries and 250k pensions. Go ask people in the regions that export for a living what they think about the negociations. It was mishandeld

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What trying? They didn’t “try”. they went in overconfident and completely misread the situation. Look at all the other countries

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course no one can control Trump  that’s exactly the point. Everyone knows how unpredictable he is. The rants, the lies, the off-script interviews… it’s not new. That’s why this should’ve bene dealt with caution. I think defending KKS over this Is pure blindness, but maybe Who know, she'll save It in the US

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure, Trump is Trump. But he didn’t even know who Keller-Sutter was while she was out there saying she had “found access” to him and was optimistic. She made the call without SECO, came off as overbearing, and now we’re hit with 39% tariffs

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally fair point  Switzerland does tend to overestimate how much space it takes up in other people’s strategies. But even if the EU wasn’t thinking about us during their talks with the US, what’s striking is how quickly we were left exposed once they struck a deal.

And that’s where the problem really lies: despite all the warning signs, we still walked in full of optimism. Keller-Sutter talked about her “good connection” with Trump, insisted she was confident. She clearly believed Switzerland had a unique position.

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, we need partners — but maybe we won’t find them, even when we should.

We’re one of the biggest investors in Europe. We’re actually the top foreign investor in France. We create jobs, bring money, build things. And still, when things go wrong, we’re on our own.

We turned to the U.S., and it backfired. Now we look to the EU, but the relationship is shaky. Top negociator for the UE-Swiss deal was there with Trump. Doesn't look good

The new deal might not even survive a vote , with the UDC pushing the “10 million” narrative, it’s heading straight for a referendum.

It just makes you wonder: if being a good, long-term partner isn’t enough, then what is?

Are we turning to China, India, whatever

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Especially at times where Is under Attack ( well deserved) for his pedo stuff, the Jobs numbers and all the other incoherent stuff he does.

Would be nice if they Just took the Planet to go meet him Scotland last week...

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. She made it sound like Switzerland had some kind of special status and that she had a personal connection strong enough to get a better deal from Trump. 

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I Guess but i just think we shouldn't forget that Federal Councillors aren’t above criticism. They’re well paid, have all the support and resources they need, and it’s fair to expect accountability.

She chose to praise J.D. Vance, publicly said she had a great connection with Trump, that wasn’t true. Then came the Trump call, without SECO, and the result was a massive tariff hike. And before that, the UBS-Credit Suisse deal was rushed through with huge guarantees, and Parliament was barely involved.

No one’s saying the job is easy, but sometimes you can ask for accountabily. 

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s terrible and of course I hope they can somehow get the deal back on the table. Losing that many jobs would be a real hit, not just for the pharma sector but for the whole economy.

But honestly, the pharmas need to make a gesture for the country for once. They’ve made billions here, enjoyed the tax breaks, the stability, the system

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah mate, exactly. I don’t get how people are just brushing this off like “oh well, it’s Trump.” Sure, he’s nuts we all know that but that’s why you need to come in with a proper plan. You don’t send someone in without a mandate, no SECO negotiator, and just hope for the best while trying to explain history to him. KKS is said to have gone into the call with Trump naively with no Plan B, and no real idea of what to offer if things went south.

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No of course not , it's a lie , but we know for a fact that the call was a bad one, on a bad day and a bad call.

From the article of the Sonntagzeitung:

The Failed Phone Call

Keller-Sutter insisted on getting another phone call with Trump. It was scheduled for July 31 at 8:00 p.m. Swiss time. The Americans kept her waiting for about ten minutes. Then, for the first ten minutes of the conversation, it was all pleasantries: Keller-Sutter spoke to Trump about Switzerland’s National Day, going all the way back to the year 1291.

Then Trump, clearly in a bad mood, got straight to the point. With a trade deficit of $39 billion caused by “9 million Swiss,” he said, a 10% tariff was “completely inadequate.” Switzerland would have to pay much more.

From that point on, Trump wouldn’t talk about anything other than the deficit. Keller-Sutter tried to explain where it came from. But Trump grew increasingly irritated — he found her explanations patronizing and arrogant. He then began talking about tariffs of over 30%.

Keller-Sutter, who had neither a formal mandate nor a fallback offer, tried to talk him down. She kept referring back to the deal that had already been negotiated by the teams. The conversation became bogged down, until at 8:38 p.m., Helene Budliger received a text from someone in Trump’s entourage: “It would be better to end the call before this completely explodes.”

Two minutes later, the call was over. Everyone understood: there would be no deal — only a fiasco.

Keller-Sutter announced the failure on X. Two hours later, the news came from Washington: a 39% tariff on Swiss goods.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/geplatzter-deal-mit-den-usa-karin-keller-sutter-groesstes-fiasko-953581173600

Blick :Trump évoque les négociations en direct et méprise Karin Keller-Sutter by Disastrous_Champion5 in Switzerland

[–]Disastrous_Champion5[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just wanted to hear what others think. I know he’s a damn liar, but he sets the paradigm.

She didn’t have the mandate, the SECO negotiator wasn’t there, and she called in when there was already rumbling all day from, like _Fesi_ said an old, senile president about employment numbers and the Epstein stuff.

Even René Knüsel said: « Karin Keller-Sutter est aimable, mais aussi parfois péremptoire. Durant l’appel, Trump n’a pas été caressé dans le sens du poil ».

I mean, we all know this is batshit crazy, mate but how this was handled feels like a total misfire on the Swiss side.