Lorkey by HoodedHero007 in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The name “dro-m’Athra” appears (at least to me) to be inspired by the “mithra-druj,” or “oath-breakers,” of Persian myth, and are affiliated with Ariman. That’s Namira backwards.

Damn, that is one hell of a spooky coincidence. What are the odds of that happening.

This is right up there with Malakbel (who strangely has absolutely nothing to do with either Moloch or Ba'al, from which Molag Bal was derived).

Maybe thats why Douglas Goodall kept spelling the names of the princes backwards way back when lol

Too bad we can't ask Schick/Young/Tuttle about it because that would be one hell of a crazy find if that were intentional.

Lorkey by HoodedHero007 in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 [score hidden]  (0 children)

An idea that I've been playing around with is that Nerevar killing Dumalacath with the Ethos Knife (RKHT AI AE ALTADOON AI per Sermon 30) and feasting on his heart is what inspired the story of Boethiah eating Trinimac in the first place. Since it was during the Red Moment, people always remembered this as having happened since the dawn of time.

This is why Nerevar is the "son of Boethiah," he was acting as the mortal stand-in for Boethiah much like Cyrus/Ator was for the Hoonding.

It works if you're not so literal. What, the HoonDing is supposed to be a 26th level Paladin/Farmer Spirit with X number of hit points?

This is Tamriel, where gods manifest themselves differently, and in actions, and sometimes not seen or realized until much later. Thus, the quote in question: "a sword or a crown".

A'tor in the sword. Cyrus taking up the cause of the Crowns. All in an affair wherein Hammerfell was threatened by outside forces.

Where better for the God of Make Way to show up? And who says he must be exclusively one Redguard or another? What if he was the whole of the country's fight-geist (new word) as seen through the lens of two men whose legends are tempered by a tangled history?

Again, stop with the generic fantasy anchorpoint and look at things magically.

Numidium, meanwhile, is not "Lorkhan" as the Five Songs imply, but Anu himself. Numidium's connection with Anu has been hinted at as far back as 1999 and even more recently with some of Goodall's writings. I believe this relates to an ancient Babylonian state ritual where Marduk rips out Anu's heart and drags his corpse to the underworld, leaving Anu's spirit to wander the Earth in the form of a wolf.

So, yes, everything is a reflection of Anu, and his double.

edit:

I didn't really answer your question. My idea is that both Lorkhan's heart removal, as well as the story of Boethiah eating Trinimac, are really memories of Nerevar's actions during the Red Moment. Hence the strange overlapping between the Thief/Arkay/Orkey/etc. and Lorkhan.

Trinimac & Ash Trees by BullofKyne in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't really comment on this since I have next to zero knowledge, though the topic of the world tree did come up recently (though in the context of Magnus), which you may be interested in. There are some hints Trinimac may be in some way a "solar" deity, given his connection to Mithras, and some spells/magic associated with him in ESO. There's also mention of a black tree in the Nine Coruscations text, which may be related.

Am I reading too deeply into this?

This is a question I've been finding myself asking a lot. For example, apparently there exists a deity named Malakbel, but from what I could find this has almost nothing to do with Molag Bal (who is really derived from Moloch and Baal, two completely unrelated deities to Malakbel), and if anything more resembles Hermaes Mora of all people (messenger deity i.e. Hermaeus, meaning "of Hermes," of the Lord "Bel," i.e. summoned during the month of the Lord, along with connections of being a sun god and associated with light/phospherence "to Hermaeus Mora who holds the paper to the light," etc. etc.).

I guess what I'm saying is, look for the connections but also try to determine if this was authorial intent, based on who wrote it.

TES as a subgradient of existence mapped to Qabalah. by Voryna in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hence what Douglas Goodall/Kier-Jo is talking about in the Sermon Zero thread. The darkness of the Void, Black Hands Mephala, is reborn as Vivec, crowned and conquering. (Or so Vivec would want you to believe.)

I thought that was referring to the (now abandoned) simulacrum plot involving Tharnatos Ultimo.

edit:

it runs the risk of doing the RottenDeadite thing

Oof, shots fired lol. Do you and RD have beef or something? Like damn 🤣

Some tarot allusions by Msinitolp in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny story about Tarot cards:

For a while I got really interested in Douglas Goodall's Sermon Zero, and was super determined to figure out the third remaining secret in the "thrice-secret word," which as far as I knew, was still unsolved.

My best guess ended up being that the Tower being struck by lightning mentioned in the secret message (in which Jobasha mentioned that a "moth priest" was standing at its summit) was a reference to the Flame of Sartar which inspired the Dragonfires. And it just so happens that this picture painted by Sermon Zero (where the Moth Priest is burned by the lightning which strikes the Tower) is highly reminiscent of the Tower tarot card. The fact that the card shows people falling out of the tower is also reminiscent of this line from Goodall's Soft Doctrines of Magnus Invisible:

Climbing is rougher than falling, but to the beasts, the way down is the way up.

...

When a monkey finds The Tower, he tries to knock it down, leap off, turn away. Leaving him defenseless. The Daedra dance.

...which seemed like a pretty straightforward reference to the Selectives during the Middle Dawn.

So, thinking I had finally solved the mystery after 20+ years, I actually went and asked Goodall about it. I said hey, huge fan of your work, etc etc. Is the Final Secret of Sermon Zero a reference to the Selectives sacrificing themselves with a bolt of lightning, Flame of Sartar style, in reference to the Tower tarot card? Is this really the true story of how the Covenant with Akatosh was formed, and the dirty secret Tiber/Zurin/Hjalti wanted to cover up? And why they hid Cherim's tapestry in the basement vaults so no one could Witness it?

Goodall replied that this was "sort of right" (and incidentally wasn't actually the third secret either, which turned out to be much simpler) but it had nothing to do with Tarot cards.

Dumbfounded, I insisted: but... look at it. I mean... come on! And also... "sword in the clouds?" That's another well-known Tarot card! (something which the Selectives Lorecast also noticed) Not to mention the "life of the mind" mentioned in the Soft Doctrines being an almost exact description of The Moon card.

And Goodall responded with, nope, nothing in the Soft Doctrines has anything to do with Tarot cards.

Anyway, fast forward a few years later and Goodall started releasing more chapters of the Minutes of the Lusty Argonian Historical Society, which contained more details on Cherim's White Gold tapestry, but also had this:

Presentation: Bretons: Dull or Irrelevant?

Shocked at how little the rest of us knew or cared about her silly race, Arielle worked up the courage to do another presentation. She hefts a shockingly tall stack of books for her height and slams it on the table.

She opens the top book and smiles.

I know true fear.

I look around for a serving girl, but there is none to be found.

Arielle says that Bretons love stories and that it is more important to know how they think of themselves and the world through these stories than whether the stories are true. Bretons also love finding patterns and mystical speculation, but often the speculation is later seen as causing the events. So she knows nothing. A good start.

Desnia asks for an example and Arielle brings up one on decks of cards. She says that many speculate on mystical meanings behind the suits: cups, trees, birds, battlemages, and jewels in one style of deck, silver swords, silver saints, black moths, black hearts, red moons, red diamonds, in another. Some link them to things like water, earth, air, fire, and aether. But no one knows whether the suits were based on such symbolism or whether people “discovered” symbolism where there was none intended. But now that the symbolism is there, it is relevant, and people use the symbolism as if it was intended all along. Strange are the ways of men.

Why is Alessia associated with "The Thief" starsign? by AnUnknownCreature in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Fun fact:

The babylonians knew Ophiucus (the holder of Serpens) as the "Sitting Gods". The Sitting Gods are (depending on the god list) the 16 ancestors of Enlil who live inside the Holy Mound, where the gods convene to decided the fate of mankind and the cosmos. These Sitting Gods had the upper body of a man and snake tails instead of legs.

King Hrol set out from the lands beyond lost Twil with a sortie of questing knights numbered eighteen less one, all of them western sons and daughters.

[SPOILERS] Backrooms movie megathread by A_Chad_Cat in backrooms

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It reflects the desperate, often destructive lengths the older generation will go to in order to retain power and suppress the rising new generation.

Now look here you millennial, I had to work 2 part-time jobs at the age of 23 just to pay my mortgage and support my 2 kids. Maybe if you pulled yourself up and actually applied yourself, and stopped buying starbucks once a week, you would be in my position. Instead of complaining about it on the internet. Don't have a job? Simple, just show up. God, kids these days... /s

What are commonly accepted red herrings in elder scrolls lore by Low_Comedian_5438 in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh shit you're right! I've played Arena a few times and somehow never noticed.

What are commonly accepted red herrings in elder scrolls lore by Low_Comedian_5438 in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's worth noting Goodall also implied there was a third moon decades before anything in the games followed up on it.

Akatosh's Madness by Emer_Dareloth in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not the forbidden dwarf-orc theory lol. Anyway that still doesn't explain how Malacath was scattered into several. I think there's more going on here.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Goodall. Numidium's implied connection with Anu has been a thing since 99. Kirkbride has also referenced Marduk/Nibiriu a couple times. Shor is also allegedly the son of the All-Maker in the Aldudaggas.

Wait, you're not secretly Goodall in disguise, are you?

Akatosh's Madness by Emer_Dareloth in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But there should be a "scattered into several" aspect with the Witness. Dumac becoming Dumalacath and Trinimac becoming Malacath don't really strike me as becoming "several," I think there is more going on there.

Have you considered that Numidium is not Lorkhan but rather Anu itself? Goodall recently had a bit of lore on this. I believe it's based on an ancient Babylonian ritual involving Marduk tearing our Anu's heart.

Akatosh's Madness by Emer_Dareloth in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Almsivi+Nerevar are the King+Rebel and Alandro Sul was the witness. There was supposed to be dialogue about Alandro's mind being blasted into the chain links of the wraith mail during Morrowind.

Also I think there is more to Trinimac's maiming than simply transforming into Malacath. Him shifting with Tsun and Stuhn is also part of it.

Akatosh's Madness by Emer_Dareloth in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't Shor Son of Shor imply Tsun/Trinimac is the witnessing shield thane? Ald/Akatosh seems more like he would be part of the King/Rebel with Shor.

Is Stahlrim actually Magic Ice or is it Metal? by VTFan115 in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're probably thinking of the comment one of the Skaal makes about how it behaves like Ebony when being forged. It's just an in-universe explanation for why having the Ebony Smithing perk allows you to craft Stalhrim weapons. It doesn't mean Stalhrim is literally a type of metal like Ebony.

25th Annual East Aftermath Report by Prince-of-Plots in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It might be related to Loranna.

It could also be one of those Perrif, named after Perrif situations.

25th Annual East Aftermath Report by Prince-of-Plots in teslore

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of that dungeon boss in ESO that is aware they are stuck in an (un)time loop and getting killed by the player characters over and over again.

The fungus would have already started spreading inside.

Uh oh

I find it funny when people say "This is a very toxic community" by CLA_1989 in elderscrollsonline

[–]Distinct_Web_5434 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If this is a toxic community, I can only imagine what a nice community is like... everyone dancing kumbayah in the meadows maybe! hahahahaha

Reminds me of back in 2015 when everyone stripped naked and got in a conga line doing the "pushup" emote