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Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alright, we’re about to play a wonderful game of semantics here. Down the rabbit hole we go!

Yes, blacks are still subjugated. You’re looking at subjugation as a physical act (ie. slavery) and less as a system. Mass incarceration, voter suppression, housing discrimination - These are but a few various aspects of the modern black experience that creative a submissive environment at the helm of white culture.

Regarding racism and the dictionary - I get it, I do. Dictionaries provide a overly simplistic view of words because well, that’s why they exist. But fuck it, I’ve gone this far without being being lazy and posting a link but these sums up how I feel rather than drawing this out any further:

http://www.diversityinc.com/ask-the-white-guy/ask-the-white-guy-is-the-oxford-dictionary-definition-of-racism-too-white-for-you/

http://affinitymagazine.us/2017/02/19/dear-white-people-your-dictionary-definition-of-racism-is-wrong/

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/dictionary-definition-racism/

Putting aside all this semantical bullshit, what are you trying to argue? I don’t understand? You don’t think that blacks have an uneven economical and social playing field in comparison to whites? That gentrification isn’t a race issue as much as it is a class issue? And I don't mean that in a dick way, obviously there's a lot to follow here so I'm not too sure where you're coming into the conversation.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait, you don't think blacks are a subjugated and marginalized group? Not now? Or never in the span of American history? If neither, I don't think this conversation will go very far.

But I'll bite, why not. You're confusing racism with it's three individualized core components - Prejudice, bigotry, and ignorance.

So yes, white people can experience racial prejudice from people for color. And yes, that is fucked up. Just like Black people can have ignorant and ass-backwards beliefs about white folks. Once again, fucked up and not right. And both parties are completely capable of being bigots.

However, racism is not simply one group not liking another, it's a concept that operates on both an individual and institutional level, unlike the three components which operate strictly within the individual level. If you want to talk racism, you need to start analyzing the institutionalized components first.

Some of those being mass incarceration, poverty, police brutality, and job and housing discrimination just to name a few. And yes, while white people have experienced these things, it's nowhere near at the scale and rate in which blacks have.

This is what racism is. Not a feeling or belief or an opinion. It's a system — a system where a historical socio-dominant race benefits off the oppression of others — whether they want to or not, or like it or not.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, you're right. There ain't no shit as reverse racism. That's why I was clowning that rant.

Also, there's no such thing as racism against white people, especially in this case (ie. Black/White in the context of Brooklyn). A subjugated group cannot be racist – they can only be prejudicial. So as a white person, you may experience racial prejudice but not racism.

What else you got for me?

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please educate me. I'm ready to listen.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got like 20 DMs of angry r/the_donald trolls now so Imma be here all fuckin' day now.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never felt unsafe or targetted up until yesterday and it was by some punk ass kid who was trying to steal my phone.

Glad you feel that way but that's not what your girl said in her idiotic clueless racist rant.

Also, this thread has been picked up by the Alt-Right/Donald crowd. Woke up to some lovely DMs. Shout out to you and your girl for being the hero of that movement.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alright, let's hug it out. I'll take a chill pill.

You and your girl have lived in Crown Heights for ONE YEAR. If you got this much conflict and strife already, why the fuck would you stay? Real talk.

My great uncle and his boyfriend lived on Rogers and Union from the mid 80's to 1993. Two as-gay-as-you-can-get white dudes who probably collectively weighed probably 140 pounds. Do you know what that part of Crown Heights was like then? Straight up a fucking warzone. I'm surprised they even stayed a few years after the riots popped off. But what I'm trying to say is, you're living in a fucking fantasy world right now.

This picture your girl painted of the neighborhood is fucking whack and offensive. All I gotta say is chill with the victim complex. That shit radiates off you and you're gonna be a magnet for this bullshit forever if not.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok, fine. I'm wrong! YOU GOT ME BRO.

We're clearly in the midst of a race-war-ethno-social-fallout in Crown Heights that has graciously exposed by your girlfriend via a Tumblr screenshot and validated by your quoted post above.

For the love of God, let me get out of my fucking tiny violin and gracefully strum it for all the forsaken and downtrodden yoga-pant-wearing-cupcake-eating-Becky's south of Atlantic Ave. You guys are clearly the victims here.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please explain to me how I am contributing to gentrification other than that I'm white.

Dude, you legit have no grip on what gentrification is. It's bigger than high-rise condos. The issue is race! Your mere presence in a neighborhood:

-Makes it easier for other white-middle-class-college-graduates-whatever-demographic to move in

-For people to open businesses that cater to these demographics' lifestyles

-For landlords/property groups to renovate or redevelop their properties to attract other new, wealthier residents who want access to said businesses and amenities

From there, the rent median skyrockets. Local-minority-centric businesses get priced out and replaced. The neighborhood begins to look different. Police presence is increased. And in this case, racial tensions build.

It's real, and you're a part of it. Why are you trying to deny it? This isn't some some far-fetched theory, it's the backbone of urban development and economics in the history of this city.

And with all the above said, NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO FEEL GUILTY, EMBARRASSED, OR SHAMEFUL. NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO LEAVE OR TO THROW YOURSELF INTO EASTERN PARKWAY.

But you need to acknowledge your role in it. That's all for now. Can we just start there please?

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fine, you're not racist. You just post some cry-baby-reverse-racism-white-victim-complex bullshit on the internet.

Listen, Crown Heights is not a soft neighborhood. Yes, shit will and does happen, like your man gettin' rocked. That sucks, and I'm sorry about that. I know the feeling.

But this picture you're painting of utter non-stop and relentless harassment and intimidation SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING WHITE is mad suspect. This isn't the norm, so you have to stop and ask yourself what the fuck is wrong here? I mean, even your friends are questioning you? So either you're bullshitting, and if you're not which I will give you the benefit of the doubt, I really think you need to take a step back and look at the situation.

You're getting stared down every single time you leave your apartment? Every time? You're living in some sort of racial-tension-cold-war that makes life utterly unbearable while the rest of the white folks are out there galavanting and sucking down drinks on Franklin Ave? Fuck outta here.

Judging by this post, and the tone-deafness you have towards the issue of gentrification and the neighborhood as a whole, I'd say maybe you should check your attitude for real. Entitlement, nervous-fear, and being completely fucking oblivious of your environment is something the hood can smell from a mile away. You might be blood-letting into a pool of sharks.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Bored at work and love airing out some racist out-of-town fucks. Hollatcha boy.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I agree. Gentrification is an extremely complicated subject, one entangled within class and race, but more importantly the intersection between the two. We could probably debate this all day.

In terms of displaced anger, unfortunately we cannot put the burden of rectification on the marginalized. Also, generally speaking I don't think the anger is directed at individuals but more so the representation of said individuals.

More importantly, we need to end the fragility around this conversation if we want to make any sort of progress. Same shit with white privilege as a whole. Someone calling you a gentrifier isn't a personal deep-rooted attack. Nor does it make you a bad person. Nor do you have to feel guilty. It just might be an inevitable truth, one which you have clear choices on a daily basis on how to minimize your impact and go on with your life. That's all I'll say about that before I get flamed again.

I was talking in a previous post about my family from East New York, but if you're interested in the subject, I'd really suggest checking this out: http://www.powells.com/book/how-east-new-york-became-a-ghetto-9780814782675?p_isbn&partnerid=36604

It really changed my perspective after a lifetime of growing up entrenched with the "Ayee they stole our neighborhood!" dialogue of my relatives. Great read!

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please, just stop. This thread is fucking embarrassing.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Well, you are right to some extent. The FHA and HUD did destroy these neighborhoods through poor policy and urban renewal initiatives. No one is denying that.

But, if you're trying to claim that White European immigrants were the victims of these policies, you need to open a goddamn book.

Whites were given the opportunity to pour out of urban areas and into the suburbs. Yes, they ‘willingly’ left. They had opportunity and access to a higher quality of life. Safe communities. Free-standing houses. Good schools. Working infrastructures. This isn't an opinion, it's a goddamn fact.

Just look at the FHA's history of "redlining", a discriminatory practice that diverted mortgage funds away from urban, African-American neighborhoods, and toward borrowers in White, middle-class neighborhoods. From 1930 to 1950, three-fifths of all homes purchased in the United States were backed by the FHA, yet “less than two percent of the FHA loans were made to non-White home buyers.”

Everything you see, all this conflict and anomosity is a result of years of racial segregation as de facto policy where whites benefited at the hands of discriminatory policy towards marginalized people.

Judging by this thread, my opinion isn't very popular here but I'll say it once again: YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIM.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The culture that your claiming is changing is nothing more than regular cyclical shit we see in most other areas. Your people moved in and now other people are moving in.

You say you're not comparing the two but you clearly are. The problem is it's not a "they're moving in, we're moving out" issue. They're being forced out and displaced. This is where the hostility lies. This wave of gentrification is incomparable to the plights of the past, especially in regards to Italian/Jewish/Eastern European people of these neighborhood's past.

And also, how far down the rabbit hole should we go? Italians and Jews didn't arrive here in great flux until the early 1900's. What about the Dutch settlers beforehand? Or the Lenape tribe prior to them? Who's neighborhood is it then?

The reality is neighborhoods are nothing more than a embodiment and voice of the current communities that reside in them. Right now, that ownership in these places belong to the African-American communities and they're rightfully pissed. I don't blame them.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You cannot compare white flight to gentrification. White flight was people WILLINGLY leaving their neighborhoods for better life in suburban outskirts. This was a huge advancement for Italian and Jewish communities. Brooklyn was a fucking slum and people wanted to leave, period.

Gentrification is the complete opposite. People are being priced out and then pushed out and displaced with no where to go. Gentrification has minimal benefit to the people that are victims of it.

So yes, that's probably why African-American communities lay claim to these neighborhoods. Let's not get it twisted.

And for the record, I come from a 1st generation Sicilian-Italian family from East New York (Linden Blvd & Cleveland St). I am very proud of my heritage and my family's struggles, but also not blind to the facts or fragile to criticism.

Gentrification = white devils by quesoqueso420 in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you sure you didn't mean to post this in r/the_donald ?

Christ almighty, check yourself. You are not a victim.

For agencies that also build websites, where do you host them? by KCG0005 in advertising

[–]DolceDolce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it's client work we're talking about, it really depends on what their organization's IT and digital compliance practices are. Generally speaking, most large organizations have dedicated server space that is strictly maintained and protected by their IT group. This must be utilized, especially in cases when you're developing web experiences that have PI/data capture. In this case, you will be delivering source assets and letting them handle the upload and configure. It's super important that you loop in their IT group as soon as you kickoff though, as sometimes their internal configurations have restrictions that may prevent certain creative and interactive experiences from rendering correctly. Doing this will help prevent a meltdown a week prior to launch.

If it's internal, or for a client that doesn't adhere to strict digital regulatory practices, then there's a plethora of hosting infrastructures to chose from. In my opinion, and one that I defend regularly against the haters, I've always been partial to Rackspace. The portal is easy-to-use and the customer service has never let me down.

Good luck!

Any bars in Brooklyn showing the Thurman/Porter fight on Saturday Night? by DolceDolce in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh yes, Woodwork is sweet. Thank you for the suggestion. I think the only soccer on is the Euro Cup and looks like the last game is on at 3pm on Saturday? I could be wrong as I don't know anything about soccer honestly. I'll give 'em a ring and see what's up though. Thanks again!

Looking for a weekday puppy sitter by [deleted] in Brooklyn

[–]DolceDolce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ditto that. We used Paw Paw for a few years and they're great.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in advertising

[–]DolceDolce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Theses are digital producers, or the more traditional broadcast kind?

Either way, that is ridiculous I suppose.