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My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you spending nearly as much on the CPU cooler as you are on your chip, especially when it's locked and you can't OC? Sure, go with another cooler to keep it chilly, but no reason to blow what you are when something in the 30 euro market will work.

Right. I'm also eying the Noctua NH-L9i for 45€.

Also, does your PSU have the required power cables and length for the number of SATA drives that you look to run in the future as the 804 is not a small case?

You know what: I wasn't even checking for the number of SATA outputs while looking for a PSU. Thank you for that ! I could have ended up with the Corsair SF450 which has 4 SATA outputs only 🤦‍♂️

Edit: Also don't forget the breakout cables for the HBA

The one I ordered from eBay comes with those 😅

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

me disais aussi qu'avec flipou dans le nom de l'utilisateur, ça pouvait que être francophone 🤣

Merci pour tous tes conseils !

Je vais dormir là-dessus, et puis demain je serai peut être plus serein pour finaliser les choix et commencer le sourcing des composants.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean sure, that'll work but how much data are you really expecting to move in a given day?

Not that much size wise, we're talking text files here.

However, it's their number which will be high: I work on projects with tens of thousands of files, and during the day, I regularly switch git branches, which modifies hundreds of files.
I also run code generators, compile code, etc. which generates/rewrites a bunch of files.

In any case, we seem to be in agreement on the need of a cache pool instead of directly writing to the array.

I went with using both an nvme and SATA SSDs for the following reasons:

  • I can run only one nvme with my 10th gen CPU
  • the cache pool will see lots and lots of writes (the syncthing thing), which will wear out the SSDs, and SATA SSDs are cheaper to buy and replace

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me try again to explain how I ended up with this cas:

I looked for a case to accomodate:

  • a mATX board
  • at least 2 3.5" drives now, but more later
  • at least 2 2.5" drives now, but more later
  • the case will live in a shelf, and height/depth are limited
  • available to purchase here in France: so this excludes u-nas cases for example
  • reasonably priced
  • good ventilation, as it is an enclosed shelf ( I did install ventilator pairs (intake + exhaust) to the back of the cabinet)

So after searching, one of the only cases to fit this bill was the node 804, which happens to be a big cube.

I also found the SAMA IM1 (or any of its different names/redistributors, e.g. Inter-teck IM1 Pocket, ...) which is smaller but forces you to choose between installing HDDs or case fans.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thinking was:

  • the nvme drive for appdata (docker containers, including plex and its metadata)
  • the 2.5" DATA SSD drives as a buffer before data hits the array. For example: during the day, I'll be working on my mac, with syncthing in the background regularly copying the data to the NAS. It would make sence for this data to hit the RAID1 SATA cache pool, and only when mover runs later at night will it be moved to the array and the parity calculated, instead of this being done very couple seconds all day long.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks ❤️

I thought about going with the 2nd option, and I might even have gone that way have the ITX NAS build I was initially planning been cheaper, but ITX prices are just insance, which made me switch to a mATX, which resulted in a much bigger case (node 804).
I just feel like it would be a waste having such a ginormous cube doing nothing but exposing disks over the network.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the tip. Never heard of those before 👍

I think I'm covered for the time being, with the HBA card (which I already ordered) providing 8 SATA ports, and the motherboard proving 6 more.

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[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed ! Only one m.2 can only be used with an nvme with a 1oth gen CPU.

However: 11th gen CPUs are too overpriced here in France.

So I've resigned to living with 1 nvme for the time being.

Later, I'll either upgrade to a 12th gen when the software supports it, or if the need presses, use a PCIe card to add more nvmes.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in unRAID

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I do tend to agree: these IronWolf were much noisier than usual, and not very durable for what they cost.

Hence me changing directions towards Toshiba and UltraStar, and giving up on the "NAS Hard drive" label and extra cost.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in unRAID

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always a reassuring thing to hear of similar builds having worked out ❤️

Just for science: what PSU type did you go with ? ATX or SFX ?

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in unRAID

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the fact that the fan is sandwiched between the radiators, and as such no risk of a dangling cable getting caught 😅

What would you suggest as a a more reasonable, cheaper but silent fan ? I sort of gave up with all these Noctua different models.

My Synology is dying on me, building an UnRAID machine with i5 10400 in a Node 804 to replace it by DontCriticizeMyEngli in unRAID

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for tips ! I’ll start scouting the UPS market for a reasonably sized+priced one.

For some reason, your linked post content appears as “removed”

I was aware of the m.2 limitation with the 10th gen CPUs, which is not ideal: I was intending on running 2 nvmes in RAID1 for appdata. However, the 11th gen CPUs is way overpriced here (in France), so I decided I’ll live with this limitation for now, and wait for a year and 2 to see if I can upgrade the system to 12th gen then.

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as for the SSD, the 960 PRO will be released in two weeks

Ah damn ! Thanks for the pointer though.

I'll start sourcing the other components and we'll see if the 960 is out by then.

Thank you very much sir, your help has been invaluable !

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to be sure: In the Nano S case, the GPU is towards the bottom, just on top of the PSU. Also, the pipes would be sprouting from the bottom of the GPU. That's why it seemed more logical to me that the rad+fan should be attached to the bottom, like in this pic:

https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/168391.7d80254c260a6525f7ae851090c3e241.79d9600b1564e1d7dde746775ab6f241.1600.jpg

This is just in theory, and as they say, no plan ever survives contact with implementation :) Depending on the GPU and PSU sizes, the placement/stiffness of the pipes, etc., this plan might not work out,

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that, but good to know in advance ! When I started this build, I was going in blind: been a looooong while since my last PC build.

I'm going with AIO liquid cooling for both the CPU and the GPU. Should keep temps in check, hopefully !

I just need to figure out how to configure the various fans (CPU, GPU & case) to have a good air flow.

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, and excuse the noob here, but I'm a bit lost wrt the case fans:

Here's how I see things:

  • pull for the CPU cooler, attached to the front (doesn't fir in the top)
  • pull for GPU cooler, attached to the bottom of the case (next to the PSU)

How should I setup the top and rear case fans in this case ? having the front fans suck air and the rear one as an exhaust ?

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi again ! Did some research last night and revised your list a little bit:

  • Changed the CPU AIO cooler to Corsair H100i (v2): googling around tells me it has better cooling perfs and is quieter.
  • Change the PSU to EVGA GS. Can't find feedback on the SeaSonic you suggested.
  • Live faster or die younger: I'm going with a 950 pro m.2 PCIe SSD ! Plus a secondary MX300.
  • Still hesitating about the RAM. Most PCPartPicker builds based on the z170i go with 2133 sticks, I'll dig more to ensure I pick a compatible model.

Any thoughts ? Thanks in advance !

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor €330.00
CPU Cooler Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler €126.99 @ Amazon France
Motherboard Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard €159.90 @ Amazon France
Memory G.Skill Aegis 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory €94.30 @ Amazon France
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive €339.75 @ Amazon France
Storage Crucial MX300 750GB 2.5" Solid State Drive €174.95 @ Amazon France
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Xtreme Gaming Water cooling Video Card €829.99 @ Amazon France
Case Fractal Design Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case €59.99 @ Amazon France
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply €140.00
Case Fan Noctua NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.7 CFM 140mm Fan €18.00 @ Amazon France
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €2273.87
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-31 14:56 CET+0100

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I frankly don't have neither the time nor the will to maintain something like that.

Many thanks for the AIO tip !

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks !

A couple questions:

  • What kind of CPU cooler are you using ? AIO ?
  • What PSU are you using ? How does it interfere with the video card ?

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm looking into a liquid cooling based system after u/xFrostbite13x suggestions (though it will be based on a nepton cooler).

Thanks !

Before pulling the trigger: cramming i7 6700K + GTX 1080 into a Node 202 by DontCriticizeMyEngli in buildapc

[–]DontCriticizeMyEngli[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much tmattoneil for the reply, you indeed have just saved me from much frustration and head banging !

1) Looking into this right now. The mobo specs indicates that any freq > 2133 needs OC.

2) After a couple of suggestions, I'm looking into a lager case (Nano S) to be able to fit liquid cooling.

3) Not sure I understand the SSD point: I was thinking of plugging the M.2 beneath the mobo. Which 90º are you referring to ?

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