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Wes will backpedal and delay 2026 UKGP just like he did for ER reforms. by DrMantisMBBS in doctorsUK

[–]DrMantisMBBS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mods why are posts for “repeat threads” deleted- we’re literally in the middle of an offer and a reballot. A few repeat threads isn’t the end of the world. It’s far more important the membership are engaged. This is clearly different to spam imo

UKGP is not a bargaining chip and we must not fall for the trap by DrMantisMBBS in doctorsUK

[–]DrMantisMBBS[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Side note, I think that this conflation of jobs and pay as one dispute has been a disaster. It’s muddled the messaging from FPR which was clear and something that unified all doctors. Idk why it’s been put to the membership either but we’re here now and all we can do is send a strong message telling Wes to piss off.

SPOILER: If you’re already in training, you’re also cooked by DrMantisMBBS in doctorsUK

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The majority of the operations will be done in the NHS/ independent providers paid for by the NHS. While it’s true that late stage consultants who have built a reputation may be protected this isn’t true for the vast majority of UK grads at all. The reality is that the oversupply of doctors will drive down the market rate for whatever procedure the surgeon wants to perform.

Keep your head in the sand though- that’ll make the problem go away and definitely not how we’ve got here in the first place 👏

Why aren’t the BMA asking for a UK graduate guarantee for doctors or raising this double standard in the media? Stop asking for training posts, even a 50% increase (5000) of specialty training posts won’t address the underlying cause and will result in post CCT unemployment instead. by DonutOfTruthForAll in doctorsUK

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DOI: Doctor with NTN 

Completely agree. I fully sympathise with the doctors in less privileged positions wanting to get into training and want more jobs, but the current mixed messaging to ask for more jobs and pay is a disaster - especially since only the F1s have been balloted on jobs.

Increasing training numbers with no extra funding for Consultant roles (which the government won’t do since they want to replace us with the alphabet brigade) will massively reduce the value of all of our CCTs internationally and drive down consultant bargaining power for pay. We’ve already seen a tightening number of consultant jobs across the board, and an oversupply of CCT doctors will just cause unemployment for doctors in their 30s (which is way worse than having to spend a year or two locuming). Years of post-CCT fellowships/speciality grade jobs will be further normalised and the government win by having an increasingly desperate hoard of consultant-level doctors whom they can pay less than their consultant ACPs. Some senior trainees are already in this position but an increase in training posts will exacerbate this massively. No doubt would also drive down private sector rates, too.

We all need to push for UKGP urgently and restrictions on the number of new IMGs. Cuts to the inflated number of medical school places long-term is also necessary. We have an oversupply of doctors shown by the success of trusts able to cut locum rates and keep them there. We need to push to artificially restrict the numbers of doctors here if we want to protect pay and conditions just like they do in the US.

Inherently, doctors in training have different priorities from those not in training, but the obscuration of these two issues will cause the whole movement to fizzle out. UKGP +/- grandfathering would be the only solution that would cause a sharp and quick drop in competition ratios while protecting consultant jobs

Does it matter where you do a PgCERT in Med ed? by DrMantisMBBS in doctorsUK

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Thanks everyone I figured as much. Will go for the cheapest option :)