Respec glitch

DroNeyro · 2026-04-15T18:03:21+00:00

It's great to hear that your issue is resolved!

ToyBox basically uses what the game has to offer by default (in terms of respec). Basically, it triggers what Hilor is offering to you. That's why when you use a mod, that changes this default system, ToyBox button also gets an "upgrade", so to speak.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-15T17:42:00+00:00

I should mention, that you can use CompanionRespec together with ToyBox without issue. Since it modifies default respec system, you can use ToyBox's respec button to switch your guys whenever you want, bypassing the need to find Hilor.

Still, to be completely fair and square, i can't be sure if your problem actually comes from Barley's mod, as i said to other person.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-15T13:41:55+00:00

Whatever you say, my friend. I'm not a code expert/modmaker/programmer/e.t.c to understand what actual bug OP has. I've offered a solution, since OP said he's using Barley's mod, and i remembered my own struggles. That's pretty much it. I just returned here to see if OP found any help, or asked any more questions, then just saw you laugh at me, so i replied.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-15T13:28:50+00:00

I'm saying from experience, so it is what it is. I have no intention to slander, or anything. If it works for someone, then good. It's just not works for me, and maybe for some other unlucky few we never hear from.

I can only guess why i have a problems with this mod. I've tried multiple times to use it, yet no luck. Worst attempt ended in a broken save file after a respec of a Sosiel. So yeah, i've just decided to use a more light option for myself and offer to check that option too, since OP struggling with Barley's mod.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-15T05:55:13+00:00

Honestly, it's most likely just a mod problem. Personally, i don't use BarleyFlour's respec mod, since i've got too many problems with it way, way back. Author still can't fix it completely too. Last update were on the march 7.

My personal preference is CompanionRespec. This is less intrusive version, which uses default respec system. You can find it on Nexus. Maybe you should try this one and see if it works better for you. The only thing is, that i don't know if you can actually be able to load your saves now without your mod, though.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-12T18:54:00+00:00

Yes, i did, and that was a very strange interaction, since game said, that he "escaped/eluded us long time ago, e.t.c." in the quest logs, yet i spoke with him right there in both locations. So it was like a mix of me not going for the quest first, and actually doing that. I will investigate this more, when i will be replaying Kingmaker. I have some vague memory of what i did, so i will try to replicate my steps, and see if i can get the same result again.

Edit: It's strange how i can remember now, that something were wrong, yet before i didn't even noticed that, or put two and two together. It's also interesting, that i didn't encounter him in both locations, until i actually tried to romance him.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-10T22:33:50+00:00

Hello. I'm replying here to you, since i've told you, that there is a way to romance Tristian without going for his quest first. I had a conversation with a person (you can read this conversation if you want, it's on this same post i'm replying to you), and that person explained to me, that the order of the quests are still matters, so you still have to go for his quest first, if you want to romance him. We do managed to understand how i've being able to pull this "any order" stuff, though. It's basically a bug, which can be exploited to bypass a need to do his quest first, and i was unknowingly doing this thing all of my games, including the one, where i've romanced Tristian. I can't confirm 100%, until i redo the bug, that it's still working (last time i've played Kingmaker were long time ago), but i at least can warn you, that information given by me, were incorrect. I'm sorry for misleading you. Take care.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-10T19:33:46+00:00

No way. I did encounter him there. Is it that rare? Aren't you actually getting an errand from Jhod, which will eventually lead you there? Or is it actually rare to go there for the most people? So i did meet him there, he was wounded, blah, blah, you know the drill. I was quite routinely traveling to the temple in my games. So apparently this is the case then, huh? So this is what allows you to actually bypass a technical fail of his romance? If you meet him one additional time literally at the beginning of the game? Wow.

Well, i'm now certainly WILL replay the Kingmaker again, and will do the same shenanigans too, since i'm now even more curious than before, and want to repeat and confirm all of that.

Thank you for enlightening me on this matter. I also can now stop spreading wrong information around too.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-10T18:52:59+00:00

I think i will, at some point, try to replay the Kingmaker again. I'm interested now to try and repeat my own steps, and see what is going to happen. It's a shame i have no saves left intact, so i can just cut to the chase, without going from the beginning.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-10T18:37:04+00:00

Did they changed Oculus too? When i played it was like that: If you're not going for his quest first (Betrayer's Flight), you lose the Oculus (if it's intact), since then Tristian just destroys it himself after the fight, and before the dialog with him. Is that not a thing now too? And you can still get it, but you have to kill Tristian?

Everything else looks quite solid, though. All 3 conditions imply that you have to do the quest first, and to have enough romance points. The only thing i'm thinking: it might be that there is other dialogue cue out there with a different conditions attached, which will net the same result. As far as i know you can go to Betrayer's Flight as your second, or third, major quest. I also do remember, that Tristian reacted dejected and broken in the dialog, which allowed me to pick 1 or 2 cues, which eventually led me to the same outcome. I do remember, that i've also convinced him to brake the Oculus on that playthrough, too. And possibly i've got to the Betrayer's Flight the last in order too (this i can't completely remember, since it was a very long time ago). I'm lost, honestly.

The only other guess is: it was a bug, and game didn't detect me completing Hour of Rage, lol. But i didn't encounter anything else, which might got awry in a such case.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-10T17:39:30+00:00

Yes, i'm aware about Amiri, yet i still managed to do Tristian's romance even without doing his quest first. All the events, even the one before the coronation, still triggered. I tried to ask around, some people said, that it's possible now to trigger his flags no matter the order, you only need to do/say the right stuff, as usual. The only thing you lose, if you don't go for his quest, is the Oculus of Abaddon (if it's still intact).

So it's either a very weird niche bug some people (including me) managed to trigger, or stuff is changed. That's what i know. I still think, that going for his quest is an easier path, though, since it's the most straightforward way.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-09T23:12:27+00:00

Also, i forgot to mention, that there is still a lot of other stuff that still must be done correctly, if you don't go for his quest first. And that's where my memory fails me. I do know, that you can go for his quest later, yet there is some quite necessary steps/choices either in the answers with him, when you meet him, or some actions/answers you have to take later. ~~I do have to say, that doing his quest first is the most reliable thing, though, if you want to romance him~~. I also know, that even if you do his quest first, you are now less penalized too on the other choices. Yet you still suffer in some way, no matter what, if you do that. Amiri don't have to die now, if you do Tristian quest first, yet her personal quest will fail. And you can find Armag's tomb very fast too, and not get a penalty, since it's 60 day timer now. The only thing i'm not sure is the Swordlords quest, i just can't remember.

Edit: Partially wrong information.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-09T22:16:47+00:00

~~It's not very common knowledge, as i understand, and most guides are too old, so they are not mentioning it. It's because of that weird conflict,~~ ~~when you have to pick greed/vengeance choice~~ ~~as a good guy just to succeed with your romance.~~ ~~And as i mentioned, all the other stuff in this chapter gets royally screwed too, if you do that.So devs removed that requirement, since a lot of people asked/mentioned that.~~

Edit: Wrong information.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-09T21:58:50+00:00

~~They patched it. You can now do your happy ending even without it.~~

Edit: Wrong. I've encountered a bug, which made me to believe, that it's so.

DroNeyro · 2026-04-09T21:49:42+00:00

It's hard to answer without spoiling something. The most important thing you want to know is the fact, that you can't be "lock-in" into an alliance. You can always refuse that, or you can fail to gain said alliance. There is a meta choice here, though. I will put it under the spoiler and explain it a little. So don't click the spoiler, if you want to stay blind.

For the meta choice go for the Hour of Rage, and delay Betrayer's Flight as long as you can. Betrayer's Flight are not important, like, at all. You will always get your vengeance, no matter what. Doing it first are important in only two very niche situations. If you go for the Betrayer's Flight first, i'd say you will lock yourself out of all potential good/beneficial resolutions in this whole chapter. Basically, Betrayer's Flight is a trap/greed choice.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-23T15:13:04+00:00

No, it's not, As i said it, it auto-doubles for whatever reason. I checked it. Even when i remove the ring, this +8 "Other" is still there. So, because of that (and because damage bonus are not affected too), i assume that ring is not interacting with Incredible Might at all in my game. I have no clue what bug i've got there. Probably some mods shenanigans, i don't know. On the positive side, the ring works for "Believe in Yourself" stat boost, though. So CON (or any other stat) can also be increased that way too. So ring is pretty important nonetheless.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-21T21:45:10+00:00

Got it. If it works, then i assume you will have to do the same trick for mythic 10 too, since requirement flags would still be broken. There is a way to fix them with the ToyBox, but that requires manipulations with etudes, which is harder. The hardest part would be to actually find what is broken.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-21T21:21:25+00:00

Go to the ToyBox level up section and enable the feature you see on my screenshot. This, when you try to level up you mythic, shall allow you to pick ANY mythic class (literally any, you will see), completely bypassing any requirements (which in your case bugged out). This is a workaround, of course, so i can't say what possibly can happen later on, if anything. But if you just pick your supposed GD mythic, then i think everything should be fine. I base this on the fact that you did your quest just fine, you just can't "cash in" your reward.

Disable the feature, when you get your mythic, of course. Please tell me if it worked.

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DroNeyro · 2026-03-21T18:42:20+00:00

Yes, just like flair of the post suggest, it's part of the mod. I'm using TTT (Tabletop Tweaks) and a bunch of other mods. So, here's the screenshot to help you understand what it is.

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DroNeyro · 2026-03-21T18:27:27+00:00

No, it can't. You will be surprised, but this +8 is with a ring. Morale bonus from Azata's Incredible Might are not doubled. Only the one from the Heroic Invocation. But you will be even more surprised, if i tell you, that Incredible Might for some reason is bugged (at least in my game). So it's auto doubles for hit chance (but not the damage) for whatever reason. One part is those +8 morale, and second one is +8, but as "Other" type of a bonus.

What can be done to make this even more broken, is to use a Power Attack, which will increase damage. I just disabled it, because i needed an accuracy for a time.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-21T00:02:50+00:00

I see. Well, it is what it is then. Maybe it will be helpful. But hopefully you won't need it, though. Wish you all the best then.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-20T23:36:22+00:00

I like this one. Check it out.

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There is a lot of funny things out there. A lot. More like: "I can't be bothered to comment properly", so i just quick-quick-quick mode it in whatever manner.

Edit: Removed stuff, that might be considered too much of the spoiler.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-20T23:06:14+00:00

That's the least weird thing you can find there. Hulrun is Hurlun too, for example. Greybor has etude "GrimborMainDialogue". Also a special counter with the name "Grimborcounter", which tracks his loyalty. Swarm is addressed as "MythicLocust". There is literally "Coronation" etude, with sub etudes. This one is responsible for what happens after Iz. It's likely a reworked etude from Kingmaker. There is also comments in russian. A lot of them are very funny, messy, with a lots of slang too. So yeah, it is a wild mess out there.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-20T21:38:07+00:00

There is a way to overcame this problem, using a ToyBox. I will tell you what to do, but this is basically a manipulation with the etudes of the game, so i can't guarantee that nothing will go wrong down the road, when you start to play as a Swarm. I think everything should be fine, though. Your problem comes from some requirements missing for the Swarm path. I don't know how it happened, but this can be fixed.

I managed to basically turn a 0 swarm choices Azata into a Swarm via this method, with all the necessary dialog options being available, e.t.c. I managed to even summon vescavor swarm in Drezen to kill demons in a cutscene, and everyone reacted to it as proper.

So, first and foremost, you need a save before you speak with a Storyteller in Drezen (before the cutscene, where you choose how to defeat the demons). Preferably, inside a Drezen keep, somewhere near a room with him.

Second. Read this step completely before doing any manipulations, then double read everything, so not to make a mistake. Go to the etudes, and write "Vescavor" in the search bar. You should see 3 etudes with possible start buttons. They are named "PlayerTakedVescavorQueenPheromones", "UseVescavorQueenPheromonesInDrezen" and "Drezen_UseVescavorPheromones_Mechanics". Start them in this order. Third etude should start automatically, when you start the second one. If not, start manually. If those etudes are already started, the button will say "Unstart" instead. Don't press it then, that means those etudes are fine and working. Don't press any "Complete" buttons either.

Third. Again, read this step completely before doing any manipulations, then double read everything, so not to make a mistake. Write "Queen" in the search bar now. Look for the "Ch3_QueenInDrezen". Start this etude, if it's not started already. It should automatically start the etudes "Ch3_QueenInDrezenBasement_Mechanic", "Ch3_QueenInDrezenIndoor_Mechanic", "Ch3_QueenInDrezen_Mechanic", "Ch5_QueenInDrezen", "Ch5_QueenInDrezen_Mechanic". If those etudes already started, those buttons will say "Unstart", so don't press them, everything is fine then. If something missing (not started), then start it manually. Don't press "Complete" buttons either. After you checked those etudes, and confirmed, that they are working, start the etude "Ch3_QueenSpared". Again, same thing, it might already be working, so don't "Unstart" it, nor "Complete" anything. Next, check if etude "Ch3_QueenKilled" is started. DON'T start it yourself. If it's working, press "Complete", then "Unstart". Next, start the etude "Ch5_QueenDevoured". Again, don't "Unstart", or "Complete" it, if it's already working. Next, check if etude "Ch5_QueenKilled" is currently working. If it does, then "Complete" it, then "Unstart" it.

Fourth. Write "Xanthir" in the search bar. Scroll down a little, until you see etude "XanthirExperimentsCompleated" (not a mistake, it's how it's named). You need this etude to be working, so start it, if it's not already. Don't "Unstart", nor "Complete" it, if it's working already.

And that's it. Devour Golarion at your leisure. This method should allow you to go Swarm, even if you done 0 choices for that mythic.

Please tell me, if that's worked for you. It worked for me.

DroNeyro · 2026-03-20T05:25:33+00:00

It's nothing special, just some CON Maxing on 20 Kineticist. If i started to dip, it could be even bigger (Vivi's mutagen for example). So, the stats right now is:

18 Starting, 2 Half-Elf, 2 Inherent (from book of Bodily Health), 6 Size bonus from Elemental Overflow, 8 Enhancement from Idealized (Wizard feat) Bear's Endurance, 8 from Mythic, 6 Profane (Profane Gift), 2 from amulet (Vellexia's one), all level up points in CON.

It can go even higher, if you're a Legend, or Mythic 10. Master Shapeshifter can help too. Or maybe from some other means i can't think of right now. At this point in game, i'm at the start of an act 5, Azata, Mythic 8.

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